Moderate Muslims

[birdie1971]

Are the 'moderate' muslims in the UK aware that they will be crushed and treated as apostates if their dream of an islamic UK state were ever to become a reality?

In my opinion, islam is very much like communism. The standard bearers of both like to espouse the virtues of their particular political / religious ideology, knowing full well that many people will be slaughtered as a result. The ones doing the espousing always justify their belief by convincing themselves that they will be the ones who make up the ruling elite of such an ideology. It never seems to occur to these zealots and bigots that they will be eaten by their own.

Do the westernised, moderate muslims truly think that they will be spared the wrath of political islam?

[nailit]

//Islam believes in Puberty and THAT IS THE EARLIEST ONE CAN MARRY//
But who in their right minds would WANT to marry a girl who is just transitioning into adulthood, Whether they be 9, 10,11, or 12?
Creepy!

[nailit]

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[naomi24]

Khandro, you fear nothing of the sort. It’s said attack is the best form of defence but everything I’ve said can be easily verified so your nonsense is futile. Who’d a guessed? Well, Keyplus I suppose - hence his little wobbly. Sorry, Khandro, but if you want to upset me, like him, you too must try harder. Much harder.

v_e, the disingenuous are not always difficult to catch – if you know what you’re looking for. Actually, this forum has added greatly to my studies over the years – but not as my tutor would have wished.

[jourdain2]

I will not gratify keyplus by an argument, but the whole problem with
Islam is that the Koran is accepted as unalterable - but it has to be, to make it relevant and acceptable to the modern world. Therefore there is a BIG problem.

[keyplus90]

Naomi, you have not asked a single question here that you have not asked me before and I have not answered it. So go and fins it out of our old discussion.

Khandro - I am not a bit worried or concerned at all how Naomi responds to me or my posts. She does what she is good at and I will keep on doing what I am good at. After all it all comes to education as well as training.

[bainbrig]

Salaam al'aikum, Keyplus.

I fear you are treading a lonely path here, my friend, but I suppose (as long as it doesn't harm your blood pressure too much), then it is a path worth pursuing. Having watched these columns for some time, and read again and again the usual poorly-reasoned arguments from the usual suspects, I tend to turn my back on them, but you choose not to, and for that I salute you.

BillBainbrig

[naomi24]

Keyplus, Other than suggesting you enlighten Khandro, I haven't asked you a question. Clearly you've chosen not to.

[wildwood]

But I've asked you a question on this thread, Keyplus. Are you prepared to denounce the unsavoury side of Islam, or not?

[Khandro]

wildwood; Are you prepared to denounce the unsavoury side(s) of secularism? Would you like a list?

[wildwood]

Yes khandro, give us a list. Some people manipulate the true meaning of secularism to suit their means. Any country that is ruled by religion is not good.

[naomi24]

Wildwood, Keyplus is silent, whereas Khandro, the self-confessed Islamophobe is defending .... Islam. Funny old world.

[Khandro]

wildwood; // give us a list.// I haven't the space here but let's start with the some of the unsavoury aspects of secular capitalism
which is a system of minority privilege and class rule based on the private ownership of means of livelihood. This gives a few rich people the power to buy and sell jobs, which means they can build or destroy entire communities that depend on those jobs.

Regarding naomi's reference to my Islamaphobia, it is defined on the previous page, 08:55 Tue.

[naomi24]

Khandro, your reference to secularism is specious. Unlike religion, ‘Secularism’ , like ‘atheism’, doesn’t define any one organised group.

[keyplus90]

Bainbrig – Walaikum Salam, I know what you are saying and I know what these (few of these) people expected of me. They thought that they would push me away like they managed to do with many others but that only made me more determined and also made me learn more about my own religion as well as other religions and no religion, and I do thank a few of these nice people for that. Most of the atheists are like bullies and nothing more. How foolish it is that they do not believe in “free Will” but always try changing other’s mind.
Wildwood – I would leave any unsavoury side of my religion before my next breath. However the problem is that what you believe to be unsavoury is just your misconception or lack of knowledge about my religion.
Naomi - ////Keyplus is silence//, I know that is the best wish you have and a dream you been having for our 10 years now. However, I just do not give your repeated silly question any importance anymore as I am only doing this for good reasons and you are probably doing for your living.

[keyplus90]

I meant to say "over 10 years" and not "our 10 years...............................knowing Naomi, now she/he, (who knows) will pick on that too because her mentality is like a fly that ignores whole nice and clean world but sit on filth does not matter how small the filth is................

[Samuraisan]

Oh dear, this getting very personal and nasty!

[naomi24]

Samuraisan, nothing unusual. That’s the result of a failed argument. Water off a duck’s back to me.

Keyplus, I haven’t asked you a question, I don’t do this for a living, and I’ve never criticised your use of the English language - nor would I.

[keyplus90]

Yes, nothing has ever been personal towards me let me think, however if someone believed to be a "fly" than a human then yes I was personal.

But anyway here is another question for you Naomi. You atheists don't believe in free will then why do you work so hard trying to convince people?

[naomi24]

Keyplus, I have no idea what your first paragraph means.

As for the second, that which is likely to, and often does, mislead the uninformed should be corrected. You know I never make claims here that cannot be verified and that’s what worries you – hence your regular barrage of insults. You ask why I work so hard trying to convince people. I don’t. Since the evidence is readily available to those prepared to look, it takes no effort at all. Sadly for you, Keyplus, we’re not all ‘useful idiots’.

It’s ironic that you should talk about free will because that’s something you don’t have. Islam means ‘submission’ and for fear of punishment in the hereafter your psyche allows you no choice but to ‘submit’. That one ghastly prospect is the sole reason you continue to believe as you do, Keyplus. Only the very bravest of those indoctrinated into that appalling belief system, as you have been, would dare to exercise genuine free will. No free choice equates to no free will, Keyplus, and if you think differently you’re kidding yourself.

[wildwood]

Keyplus says... //Wildwood – I would leave any unsavoury side of my religion before my next breath. However the problem is that what you believe to be unsavoury is just your misconception or lack of knowledge about my religion.//

Misconceptions??? Taking only one of the many 'unsavoury' teachings from your beloved religion regarding homosexuality is so wrong, and if by your answer I am meant to believe that you support this, then you are a despicable person.