Eu Re-Join March – London 22 October

[Hymie]

Some of you may not be aware of the growing movement in support of the UK re-joining the EU given the disaster that Brexit has been for the UK. There are now many who believe the UK re-joining is inevitable.

For those wanting to attend the re-join march, the assembly point is the Dorchester Hotel, Park Lane, London at midday.
For more info see here:
https://marchforrejoin.co.uk/

To the Brexiteers amongst you, having failed to list a single benefit from Brexit despite my continued asking (on this site); the question now before you is to list a single negative that would result from us re-joining?

[bobbinwales]

Brilliant answer Jim. I think you were probably a Remainer like me but we have to move on and accept the reality that we can't go back soon....maybe it could be reviewed again in 5-8 years time but not now..

[Khandro]

Please tell when marching achieved anything other than sore feet.

[ToraToraTora]

bob/jim - I know a number of remain voters and they all accept that to rejoin we'd have to agree to things that even most remainers would not agree to. It's only the swivel eyed extremists like the OP that still think it's viable to rejoin.

[ToraToraTora]

Anyway Hymie, what will you be wearing and what will your placard say? perhaps I can pick you out on the TV.

[davebro]

well it kept us out of the Iraq war - oh wait!

[naomi24]

I think most of them would rejoin tomorrow if they could - regardless - and having had many discussions with Jim on the subject I’d be very surprised if he isn’t one of them. Jim?

[royfromaus]

"being unable to make our own decisions"

Because you've been making such a cracking job of it lately?

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You got your Irish citizenship already, sunny d?

[jim360]

Also, perhaps it's my limited imagination but I'm struggling to imagine how you'd even craft a rejoin campaign this quickly where the central slogan isn't some variation of "we done *** up". Now, granted, a similar issue could be said to roll around at every General Election where the Opposition asks the Electorate to, in effect, reverse their decision of the last Election, but the difference in that case is that it's understood that the decision of who governs is under periodic review. The Brexit Referendum was, at least supposedly, meant to be a one-and-done issue (for a good 20 years, at least); and it was arguably reaffirmed emphatically at the 2019 Election (and even the 2017 one, since both main parties campaigned on a platform of honouring the result).

But anyway. The point then is that a "we done *** up" campaign slogan just won't cut it, but what better is there? The entire premise of Rejoin is that Brexit was a mistake that needs to be reversed ASAP, but, if so, it was a "mistake" that the British people made (twice). You don't win campaigns by telling the electorate that barely six years ago they made a monumental error. You have to wait until they come themselves to that decision.

By contrast, then, writing a campaign to stay out is easy: "Make sure they never stop listening to you". I don't even believe in this and I'm pretty sure even *I* could write a winning campaign to stay out of the EU right now.

[royfromaus]

anneasquith
Why on earth would the EU want Britain to return ?
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The fact is the EU do want the UK to return.

[ToraToraTora]

....Hymie's gone quiet!

[jim360]

// I think most of them would rejoin tomorrow if they could - regardless - and having had many discussions with Jim on the subject I’d be very surprised if he isn’t one of them. Jim? //

Yes, I would, but it isn't up to me, is it? The decision of whether or not the UK as a whole should rejoin requires, in my opinion, a broad and overwhelming consensus that the previous result was wrong, but I don't see any evidence that this consensus exists yet (or, if it does, that it's anything other than reactionary, and could be just as quickly reversed with an upturn in the country's fortunes).

Rejoiners have to have patience. And I suppose my main point is that we can't have a situation where the UK's answer to the EU question changes every time there's a new Government.

[ToraToraTora]

jim: "Yes, I would, but it isn't up to me, is it?" - regardless of the conditions?

[davebro]

I think they would be happy for us to rejoin on exactly the same terms we had previously (in order to save their arisses).

[naomi24]

Jim, ‘Yes I would’.

Thank you.

[jim360]

I'm sure there are conditions on which I'd refuse to rejoin, yes. But it seems to me to be beside the point I'm making to discuss that. If everything were up to me, we'd never have left. But everything is not up to me, it's up to the British people as a whole. And it will, both as a matter of fact and as a matter of principle, take some time before revisiting the decision.

[Old_Geezer]

What disaster ? It's no good making unsubstantiated claims as if they were facts. We are out of the EU, so it was an unmitigated success then.

One can not understand why folk would be so foolish as to want to rejoin and bossed about by some unelected elite whose only interest is themselves (arguably Germany too) and who has no regard for the plebs they'd control. It was a guano deal before we left; it'd be double guano with diarrhoea topping if we were stupid enough to go back in.

Let's just hope the CCTV is working OK as it may be needed for bringing the consequential charges of treason against the UK, for those involved.

[jim360]

I suppose it was inevitable that Naomi would quote only the least important part of everything I've posted. I make no secret of the fact that I wish the UK had remained in the EU, and I will make no secret of the fact that I hope the UK will rejoin as soon as possible, ideally on broadly the same terms we left. But equally I have to win the argument, which, well, I didn't. So until such time as the British people agree, emphatically, with the idea of rejoining, then that's the end of the matter.

[Khandro]

//the Brexiteers amongst you, having failed to list a single benefit from Brexit despite my continued asking//

I think it was you who has failed to read the list & I'm not going to start it again for cloth ears. But I'll give just one;

Britain was a net contributor of 8 billion quid per annum while Poland was a net receiver of a similar amount, are you missing that arrangement?