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Shamima Begum Citizenship
Just heard on ITV Newa that she has been stripped of her British Citizenship
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That said, there is a moral case for allowing her back as she was radicalised here as a child. That makes her a child victim of a crime.
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She displayed her ‘morals’ by assuming full criminal responsibility for any subsequent actions on attaining her 14th birthday, as is the law in the UK.
This ‘child’ still had the determination, forethought and gumption to make it all the way to ISIS territory and was quite determined to remain there.
Her whole demeanour throughout the interviews has been quite cold and calculating, obviously still showing disdain for the country she now wants to return to.
She’ll remain a threat to this country for the rest of her life, let her fill the vessel of that child with a hatred for the West from the sanctity of a Muslim country, there are plenty to choose from.
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She displayed her ‘morals’ by assuming full criminal responsibility for any subsequent actions on attaining her 14th birthday, as is the law in the UK.
This ‘child’ still had the determination, forethought and gumption to make it all the way to ISIS territory and was quite determined to remain there.
Her whole demeanour throughout the interviews has been quite cold and calculating, obviously still showing disdain for the country she now wants to return to.
She’ll remain a threat to this country for the rest of her life, let her fill the vessel of that child with a hatred for the West from the sanctity of a Muslim country, there are plenty to choose from.
Ellipsis......she is now 19...not 15....and shows no remorse or regret for her actions or those of other people....in fact in some interviews she appears to justify them.
Atheist.....I'm not interested in punishing her for her actions....though having looked after myself from the age of fifteen I won't accept that her actions were because she was a child who knew no better.
I don't want her and those like her in this country...I want our kids to be able to attend a concert happily and safely.....to walk across a bridge on a sunny day happily and safely.
So whatever it takes to make those things happen...I'm happy with...the law is open to interpretation and if necessary can be changed by an act of parliament.......x
Atheist.....I'm not interested in punishing her for her actions....though having looked after myself from the age of fifteen I won't accept that her actions were because she was a child who knew no better.
I don't want her and those like her in this country...I want our kids to be able to attend a concert happily and safely.....to walk across a bridge on a sunny day happily and safely.
So whatever it takes to make those things happen...I'm happy with...the law is open to interpretation and if necessary can be changed by an act of parliament.......x
Brexit and Begum in one 'Begum running to the exit'
Her comments as to Isis and things like heads in a bucket suggest that she is dangerous. There are 15 year olds who think like 18 year olds and visa versa and my 'opinion' is that she is of the former camp. And she still has Bangladeshi citizenship - leave her and her child take advantage of what Dhaka has to offer in terms of health, security and benefits....Good riddance.
Her comments as to Isis and things like heads in a bucket suggest that she is dangerous. There are 15 year olds who think like 18 year olds and visa versa and my 'opinion' is that she is of the former camp. And she still has Bangladeshi citizenship - leave her and her child take advantage of what Dhaka has to offer in terms of health, security and benefits....Good riddance.
An online petition against her return is creeping up to half a million signatories.
It's here if you care to sign it.
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It's here if you care to sign it.
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Why quote my post unless you're going to respond to it, Chilldoubt ...
She is the victim of a crime (radicalisation) that was committed on British soil against her while she was a child, and all of her distasteful behaviour since is a result of that crime. As far as I can tell she hasn't actually committed a crime herself, but perhaps Javid knows better. And now she is blamed for what exactly ... being a victim, it seems.
Here's a similar crime in many ways - i.e. perpetrated by Muslims on young girls in Britain:
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Care to blame the victims in that example?
She is the victim of a crime (radicalisation) that was committed on British soil against her while she was a child, and all of her distasteful behaviour since is a result of that crime. As far as I can tell she hasn't actually committed a crime herself, but perhaps Javid knows better. And now she is blamed for what exactly ... being a victim, it seems.
Here's a similar crime in many ways - i.e. perpetrated by Muslims on young girls in Britain:
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Care to blame the victims in that example?
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The point is not the travel but that the victims - including 15 year old girls - in that example were blamed for being victims. Including by the South Yorkshire Police. A classic case of victim blaming, where the victims were young girls.
Lessons will be learned though ... we won't make that mistake again, will we, Sajid?
Lessons will be learned though ... we won't make that mistake again, will we, Sajid?
Let me be clear about this ... there are Muslims who have committed a crime. They radicalised Shamima Begum and her friends and made it possible for them to go abroad. They have never been held to account, never been charged, and they are still here in the UK. But doesn't Javid look good banning the 19 year old victim of their crime?
The point is not the travel but that the victims - including 15 year old girls - in that example were blamed for being victims. Including by the South Yorkshire Police. A classic case of victim blaming, where the victims were young girls.
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I may be mistaken but I seem to recall that subsequent inquiries/investigations have shown that it was paralysis/political correctness/possibly causing racial disharmony/fear of being tarnished racist that prevented S. Yorks Police from operating at their full capacity.
There was failure on many levels, from senior Officers to overly influential councillors and local politicians that resulted in so much inaction and ‘blind eye’ approach.
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I may be mistaken but I seem to recall that subsequent inquiries/investigations have shown that it was paralysis/political correctness/possibly causing racial disharmony/fear of being tarnished racist that prevented S. Yorks Police from operating at their full capacity.
There was failure on many levels, from senior Officers to overly influential councillors and local politicians that resulted in so much inaction and ‘blind eye’ approach.
.....and you say the point is not the travel. That’s your prerogative(rather conveniently).
It’s mine that it most certainly is the travel. She wasn’t forced to leave the UK, radicalised or not. She made that conscious decision of her own free will and had obviously researched the situation she was attending, very much of her own free will.
It’s mine that it most certainly is the travel. She wasn’t forced to leave the UK, radicalised or not. She made that conscious decision of her own free will and had obviously researched the situation she was attending, very much of her own free will.
Ellipsis. She Has, been radicalised but what this is all about and Should be all about, is that there has to be consequences from doing what she has done.
This may make anymore radicalised males or females think twice before doing what she has done in the future.
No more....”oh poor thing, her head was turned. She regrets it now, (which she doesn’t). Let her come home, to do god knows what.”
I don’t think so.
This may make anymore radicalised males or females think twice before doing what she has done in the future.
No more....”oh poor thing, her head was turned. She regrets it now, (which she doesn’t). Let her come home, to do god knows what.”
I don’t think so.
Ellipsis , Extremist views are rife in this country and across the world and they result in thousands of victims. Almost 3000 on 9/11, 52 on 7/7, 202 in the Bali Bombings, 192 in Madrid, Westminster Bridge 49,Manchester Arena 129, and so it goes on. Literally thousands of victims - but she is not one of them. She knew what she was doing, she saw heads in bins and thought nothing of it, she’s given her new born son the name of a brutal Islamic warlord and says she would have allowed the others who died to fight, and she has no remorse whatsoever. Her views haven't changed so don’t tell me she’s a victim. The victims deserve far more respect.
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