Stableford, I see you haven't replied to my question, but that doesn't surprise me. when you first posted on this thread I thought here was a reasonable person but you are no better than the rest. You seem content that some people will spend eternity - not a couple of years, not ten, not a billion, not a hundred billion but eternity, being punished. Christianity seems to be based on revenge and punishment, I thought the devil represented evil now I'm not so sure, your God offers " love and adore me or spend eternity in torment" and you think that's not only acceptable but essential. I find this concept totally abhorrent.