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They Say That Patience Is Virtue, Found Rarely In A Woman And Never In A Man
Well, over a week ago I posted a thread in which I mentioned that our Prime Minister had recently said to the CBI ‘Brexit is already delivering enormous benefits’ and I asked the Brexiteers to list any of those enormous Brexit benefits – but no one posted a single one of those enormous benefits.
So don’t be shy (I have plenty of time) – over to you Brexiteers, to list those enormous benefits.
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So don’t be shy (I have plenty of time) – over to you Brexiteers, to list those enormous benefits.
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//…can we leave , can we leave, can we leave for six years.//M#
Not quite, Peter (as I’m sure you know). We were asked in 1975 whether we wanted to remain in an organisation which we were never asked if we wanted to join, and we said Yes. We were asked the same question again 41 years later (by which time that organisation bore no resemblance to the one we had joined) and we said No. We were not asked continually for the six years that followed whether or not we wanted to leave. We were simply waiting whilst various politicians tried to find ways to ignore the answer that was given.
// They should be hanging their heads in shame instead of coming along here with their continuing xenophobic remarks..//
It’s not the first you’ve mentioned xenophobic remarks, Canary. I hope you don’t include me in that accusation.
//The forecasts which they glibly labelled Project Fear have come about and bitten them in the bum. Ho ho ho//
Perhaps when you stopped laughing you could point us to any of the “Project Fear” that have actually bitten us on the bum.
I have to say that this entire topic is becoming very tedious. Yes, I could ignore it and it’s getting to the point where I might. But so long as falsehoods and (especially) insults are bandied about I feel bound to respond. But I doubt that will last forever because it's simply the same old, same old. We've left the EU now and there is no point in flinging insults at the 17 million people who put their crosses in the "Leave" box and telling them they should apologise or "hang their heads in shame.".
Not quite, Peter (as I’m sure you know). We were asked in 1975 whether we wanted to remain in an organisation which we were never asked if we wanted to join, and we said Yes. We were asked the same question again 41 years later (by which time that organisation bore no resemblance to the one we had joined) and we said No. We were not asked continually for the six years that followed whether or not we wanted to leave. We were simply waiting whilst various politicians tried to find ways to ignore the answer that was given.
// They should be hanging their heads in shame instead of coming along here with their continuing xenophobic remarks..//
It’s not the first you’ve mentioned xenophobic remarks, Canary. I hope you don’t include me in that accusation.
//The forecasts which they glibly labelled Project Fear have come about and bitten them in the bum. Ho ho ho//
Perhaps when you stopped laughing you could point us to any of the “Project Fear” that have actually bitten us on the bum.
I have to say that this entire topic is becoming very tedious. Yes, I could ignore it and it’s getting to the point where I might. But so long as falsehoods and (especially) insults are bandied about I feel bound to respond. But I doubt that will last forever because it's simply the same old, same old. We've left the EU now and there is no point in flinging insults at the 17 million people who put their crosses in the "Leave" box and telling them they should apologise or "hang their heads in shame.".
Hymie; //I asked the Brexiteers to list any of those enormous Brexit benefits – but no one posted a single one of those enormous benefits.//
Could that be because they are sick & tired of you posting the same question which when answered you ignore.
The previous time you asked it I told you, among other things, about the 8 billion pounds saved which was the British net contribution to the EU, roughly equivalent to what Poland receives, I asked you if you were missing that arrangement & as I say, answer came there none.
Could that be because they are sick & tired of you posting the same question which when answered you ignore.
The previous time you asked it I told you, among other things, about the 8 billion pounds saved which was the British net contribution to the EU, roughly equivalent to what Poland receives, I asked you if you were missing that arrangement & as I say, answer came there none.
Hymie; you still haven't told us why you want to be part of a failing organization. One which allowed, & even welcomed ! millions of foreigners to enter the continent of Europe, & having removed through Schengen, any possibility of preventing their free movement to wherever they wished to place themselves, reaping the benefits of whatever that country had to offer.
And it ain't finished yet; Albania, Moldova, the Republic of North Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Turkey and Ukraine are all candidates countries waiting to join in the fun.
And it ain't finished yet; Albania, Moldova, the Republic of North Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Turkey and Ukraine are all candidates countries waiting to join in the fun.
NJ:
"The UK is no longer a member of the EU. That is the only benefit I wanted and expected."
NJ: (in response to Atheist who said //His answer is always the same - there is only one benefit, and that is that we have left something he didn't like.//)
"That’s not quite true. Hymie and I have been exchanging views for some time (seems like forever). Although the question was not the same as this one, I gave quite a comprehensive answer when he suggested, more than once, that the UK’s economy would be worse off by £80bn (latterly £100bn) per annum. I dissected that number and also gave a number of constitutional reasons why the UK was better off out of the EU. I can’t recall what question it was and I’m not looking for it now because it’s not really important. !!!We’ve left, and that’s all that matters!!!" (My exclamation marks)
"The UK is no longer a member of the EU. That is the only benefit I wanted and expected."
NJ: (in response to Atheist who said //His answer is always the same - there is only one benefit, and that is that we have left something he didn't like.//)
"That’s not quite true. Hymie and I have been exchanging views for some time (seems like forever). Although the question was not the same as this one, I gave quite a comprehensive answer when he suggested, more than once, that the UK’s economy would be worse off by £80bn (latterly £100bn) per annum. I dissected that number and also gave a number of constitutional reasons why the UK was better off out of the EU. I can’t recall what question it was and I’m not looking for it now because it’s not really important. !!!We’ve left, and that’s all that matters!!!" (My exclamation marks)
//If someone says that a Brexit benefit is being free of the EU, they need to expand on that...//
Not necessarily. I disagree with the basic tenet of the EU. It aims to promote itself as a single entity. With its borderless Schengen area, single currency and common policies (its foreign policy in particular) with which its members are expected to comply, there is no doubt about that. There is also no doubt that it has ambitions to enhance and reinforce that philosophy and its progress will not be thwarted by any pesky and truculent individual member nation. For that alone (though there is much more besides) I do not want the UK to be part of it. So for me, leaving is not the process, it is both the aim and the benefit.
That is why the benefits and disadvantages of leaving are of little interest to me. There are no benefits so great and no disadvantages so dire that I would prefer the UK to remain in such an organisation. I know that is hard for Europhiles to understand this but it is my point of view. I had one vote, the same as everybody else and I cast it the way I did based on that point of view. My belief is that you don't sell your soul for thirty pieces of silver (or, in this case, the possible odd percentage point increase in your country's GDP). And membership of the EU is, IMHO, very adjacent to selling the nation's soul.
Not necessarily. I disagree with the basic tenet of the EU. It aims to promote itself as a single entity. With its borderless Schengen area, single currency and common policies (its foreign policy in particular) with which its members are expected to comply, there is no doubt about that. There is also no doubt that it has ambitions to enhance and reinforce that philosophy and its progress will not be thwarted by any pesky and truculent individual member nation. For that alone (though there is much more besides) I do not want the UK to be part of it. So for me, leaving is not the process, it is both the aim and the benefit.
That is why the benefits and disadvantages of leaving are of little interest to me. There are no benefits so great and no disadvantages so dire that I would prefer the UK to remain in such an organisation. I know that is hard for Europhiles to understand this but it is my point of view. I had one vote, the same as everybody else and I cast it the way I did based on that point of view. My belief is that you don't sell your soul for thirty pieces of silver (or, in this case, the possible odd percentage point increase in your country's GDP). And membership of the EU is, IMHO, very adjacent to selling the nation's soul.
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