Is This The End.

[gulliver1]

Or just the beginning of the end for this Tory Govt. With Sir Keir Starmers excellent speech at yesterdays conference. Is the tide now starting to turn on the "Clear blue water" for the Cons,after a botched up Brexit.
From shortages of Food, fuel, Building materials,Truck drivers to Turkeys followed by footwear,
to fruit and veg, beer and even bottled water. in the run up to Christmas,
Will the voters at the next G/E feel they can ever trust the Cons again...(end of..)

[Zacs-Master]

You're not really getting this, are you Gully?

[CrapAtCryptics]

Labour are so far out of touch nobody in their right mind would ever consider voting for them. They make all kinds of pronouncements costing billions because they know they will never actually be in power to impose those plans or how to fund them. Yes we need a strong opposition but none of the present parties have shown any real sign of being that.

[gulliver1]

15 .40 I'm loving it

[teacake44]

15.32 gully. I agree with that dump him now. I've said all along Boris is sloppy, and erratic, he's never thought any decision through before making one, hence the number of u turns and the many lies.

[naomi24]

Do you vote conservative, teacake?

[maggiebee]

Aye, oor Bojo disnae produce any policies - pretty good at producing bairns though.

[teacake44]

Yes i did, fooled like many, covid not is fault, but showed us really how immature he was/is for this job.

[gulliver1]

....TORY PARTY MANIFESTO.....
Extra funding for NHS......X
20,000 more police officers....X
Tougher sentences for criminals...X
Millions more spent on Schools.....X
We will not raise Income tax.. VAT.. or.. National insurance contributions XXX
We will carry on lying to the Public......YES

[naomi24]

Are you usually a conservative voter, teacake, or was that a one off?

[andy-hughes]

CAC - // They make all kinds of pronouncements costing billions because they know they will never actually be in power to impose those plans or how to fund them. //

I remember hearing Corbyn's plans for Labour in government, and thought then that this is a man who is simply fantasising on the basis that he knows beyond any doubt that he will never be called on to realise these fantasies.

It was almost wilful how Corbyn talked about 'broadband for all for £200 million'.

In my last years at BT, I was in on the ground floor of broadband as it was conceived and implemented, and even at my my level, the overwhelming fact that overrode anything else, was the sheer enormity of the cost of providing it.

I remember the then chair of BT popping up and advising Mr Corbyn to double his figure as a baseline, and then be ready for it to take off into the strasophere with the speed of a Saturn Five rocket.

I believe then and now that Jeremy Corbym and his followers literally live in a dream world, completely insultated from reality, they believe entirely in politifcal concepts that bear less than no relation to the real world, and that is actually where actual and potential Labour voters live.

Starmer's problem is, those thinkers maintain power in his party, and until he can get rid of them his chances of election are below zero.

That is going to take generations, and it won't happen in my ifetime, or indeed in his.

[gulliver1]

16.04 Lets hope Boris is just a one off. He certainly is a one of ?

[teacake44]

My family have always been Lab, for as far back as I can remember, I was con from the age I could vote and still are. I believe in private enterprise, without it we are dead in the water.
Rishi Sunak is very well liked, why, because he's been shelling out money like no tomorrow ( no choice in my view) but for all the right reasons. apart from the £20 to the riff raff. Forgetting the ones that just love him for the handouts, I believe he's got what it takes to be a good PM, very good education , thinks things through, no rushed or sloppy erratic decisions. Answers questions clearly and precise, without the BS. Amen.

[ToraToraTora]

bang on AH, It's only dreamers like gully that think Labour can win.

[naomi24]

If Boris is so bad I wonder why labour voters want rid of him? Surely retaining him as PM will help them win next time so why are they shooting themselves in the foot by prattling on with the same old garbage day after day?

[bobbinwales]

Will Rishi still be aswell liked when he has to start trying to get the money back in though Teacake, theres a huge amount needed to get back the cost of furlough, covid grants, NHS costs, care costs, lost revenue to councils and public transport.
Kier will get my vote but hes got to much opposition in he's own party and am worried his lost Scotland for good to the SNP whos been very clever

[grumpy01]

If you want someone to win an election or get a single project done then Boris is the one.If you want someone to be on top of day to day detail then he isn’t.SKS is certainly a more convincing leader than Ed Miliband and could anybody be worse than Oh Jeremy Corbyn he put the chances of a Labour victory back years.

[teacake44]

Bobb, people who have at least half a brain, understand that it has to be paid back. Without keeping businesses going throughout covid what chance have you got of doing that. Covid called for a massive injection of support he had no choice but to give it. What would your plan have been?

[teacake44]

Labour calling for Boris's downfall, are not seeing the bigger danger. Boris is scared to death of Sunak in my view, but eh oh thats just me.

[teacake44]

Anyone who has been unemployed post covid for more than twelve months should now be made to work, regardless of what job it is, to help get the economy back up and running, work or full time training, not just lazing at home, if they don't do it, stop all payments, when their belly gets empty, they will soon start looking. All hands on the deck if you like, no excuses.

[gulliver1]

16.31 Spot on t/c But Boris hopes that the obvious could stop Sunak taking power ...but then again Sunak is a bit slimy also.