Is This The End.

[gulliver1]

Or just the beginning of the end for this Tory Govt. With Sir Keir Starmers excellent speech at yesterdays conference. Is the tide now starting to turn on the "Clear blue water" for the Cons,after a botched up Brexit.
From shortages of Food, fuel, Building materials,Truck drivers to Turkeys followed by footwear,
to fruit and veg, beer and even bottled water. in the run up to Christmas,
Will the voters at the next G/E feel they can ever trust the Cons again...(end of..)

[bobbinwales]

Your missing my point teacake. I'm just agreeing that Sunak has done well in the popularrity steaks giving out the money but am saying also am not sure his going to be anywhere near as popular when he try's to recover it all back. Weve already seen the complaints about next years NI and the Universal Credit, VAT on hospitality going back up a bit soon, and even some are unhappy that hes stopping furlough shortly. If he raise taxes and is still popular then he deserves to be PM for along time (tho am hoping Kier gets in first)

[naomi24]

And labour will provide everything at no cost to anyone. Righto!

[teacake44]

Kier is no better than Boris, he's got the same ambition, just wants to get to be a PM, he couldn't run a toffee apple stall. Throughout covid he's avoided every question put to him, when asked what would you do about this and that, do you agree with this or that, blank every time. The rises you have mentioned will soon be forgotten about because like I say most know its got to be paid.

[JimF]

Labour elected the wrong Milliband in 2010. That was the turning point, and it's been downhill for them ever since.

[teacake44]

Gully16.41 I'd rather have someone slimy with brains than Boris. Besides Sunak is a very rich man, he don't need to be slimy, his interest is to get this country working well that's his ambition. He don't need us, we need him. I hope we get him!

[gulliver1]

13.41 I did not hear any hecklers,but I did see a deranged sick looking overweight woman in a red dress waving to Keir but she was drowned out by the standing ovation and clapping that Keir was receiving it was so loud.

[gulliver1]

16.54 spot on jim

[bobbinwales]

so you agree Labours been going downhill ever since 2010 gulliver???

[gulliver1]

I thought the lady in the red dress who was supposed to be a heckler was waving to Keir asking if she could leave the room , to go to the loo.

[ichkeria]

“ did see a deranged sick looking overweight woman in a red dress waving to Keir but she was drowned out by the standing ovation”

That was the woman with the visor over her face? I saw that. Scary. Not sure if the mask was to protect her or the people sat next to her :-)
Anyway, from if the comments here it feels as though they are the ones out of touch: there’s a very distinct move away from the Cornynite policies. It was Christmas every day for those who want Labour to conform to their stereotype - which they were doing from 2015-19, something which united an unlikely combination of the hard left and irresponsible Tories. Small wonder Sir Keir compared his hecklers to the parliamentary hecklers at PM’s question time

[gulliver1]

Wonder what Thatcher would have thought of Boris... The Iron Man... or
..The Lying man....

[gulliver1]

17.10 Forgot about the visor Ichke she did look a bit scary was she escorted out?

[vulcan42]

How was the woman drowned out if she was only waving?

[Gromit]

Desperate when politicians start telling their back story.
Norman Tebbits dad’s bike to Angela Rayner being abandoned in a trolley in KwikSave and brought up by weasels on the Cheshire Ring Canal, are frankly boring.
Apparently Starmer’s dad was a tool maker. And he looked like a right tool on the podium today.

[gulliver1]

18.05 And Boris's dad was a Fool maker, and what a splendid job he made of it.

[ichkeria]

Tebbit's dad and his bike was hardly sentimental though(!)

I agree that all this stuff about one's family is a bit cringeworthy but it is deemed necessary to play to the heart strings, as well as the purse strings.
As previously mentioned, Starmer has done ok: he has had an almost impossible job, what with the debacle of 2019, the inevitable disappointment and nastiness from the anti-semites and anti-common sense brigade when they realised he'd cheated them on the stuff about remaining true to some aspects of Corbynism (what, seriously,, did they expect?)
And the pandemic restrictions, which have left most people, as they do in a crisis, clinging to the powers that be. It's been much easier for Johson, given his position and given his style, to maintain a higher profile. Starmer will have to bide his time until the charlatan's medicine is proved to be fake.
But how many expected the achievements of Blair (without mentioning the B word admittedly) to be listed and cheered by a Labour conference audience as early as 2021. And to hear Starmer admit "If people think this government is rubbish, then what does that say about us?!" - could you begin to imagine that coming from his predecessor. It's only a start, but it IS a start.

[dave50]

I voted for boris but am rapidly regretting it with his ridiculous pie in the sky green agenda plans to make us all go carbon neutral whatever the cost to the economy and our bills. That's not what I voted for.

[bobbinwales]

Well vote labour or lib dems or green then- but you'll get even greener policys

[ichkeria]

Labour has pledged to finance the replacing of boilers.
The thing is, the cost of not doing this will be a lot higher

Life is probably going to get a bit harder in coming years - tho it's not a popular political message

[gulliver1]

Boris needs to talk Turkey to the British public before Christmas.