This Is Getting Out Of Hand.......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1395811/Piers-Morgan-NHS-midwives-transgender-chestfeeding-breastfeeding-GMB-video
Mother = Birthing parent! Breast feeding = Chest feeding! For gawds sake how far are we expected to go to accommodate these people?

[Untitled]

But there are different types of women

[pixie374]

Jim... that looks clueless.... nobody knows who "is" a threat. It's why women fought so hard, and are legally allowed to exclude men, in some circumstances.

[Untitled]

what would be your preferred adjective for a person that is not transgender?

[pixie374]

//Which spaces do you think transgender women should use?//

Nothing is ever segregated by gender. Why would it be? Only by sex. Why the need to change?

[pixie374]

Untitled, like I said, everyone is technically "transgender". The only time it is relevant, is what sex you are. When do you ever need to know someone's gender, and why?

[jim360]

How do you intend to determine somebody's sex and whether they are therefore entitled to use the same space as you?

The only practical, non-invasive, solution is self-regulation.

[pixie374]

Non-invasive.... to themselves. Not to women though. There is no need though- humans can tell by faces what sex somebody is. Otherwise, we would all be permanently going on accidental gay/straight dates, because we didn't know. We can see.
If in real doubt, a DNA test, I guess.... but I've not met anyone i can't tell on sight.

[zebo]

It was nonsense like this that made the feminist movement a joke, manhole covers had to change their name for instance. As ever these 'movements' shoot themselves in the foot by their rubbish.

[jim360]

It's sadly a conceit that we can always tell, with 100% confidence, what sex someone is. But it's still a conceit. Even if you personally can, not everybody can, and at the very least there are plenty of occasions where it would take a second or a third glance, or closer scrutiny.

[jim360]

Moreover, of course, the point is that in as much you can tell, it's by outward presentation. Not by DNA, or sex organs, or any other feature.

[pixie374]

Everyone can see. It isn't conceit, it's nature, evolution. I'm disregarding those who have had cosmetic operations, because sometimes it is obvious, but I wouldn't necessarily swear to it. And it doesn't matter, the risk is the same.
And no, outward presentation is gender. DNA is sex. Genitals.... usually match with sex, but can be misleading with intersex people (and I'm not referring to them).

[jim360]

// I'm disregarding those who have had cosmetic operations... //

Well, it's easy to claim that you can always tell if you exclude all the times you wouldn't have been able to tell.

"the risk is the same".

The risk is tiny, and isn't enough to justify exclusion. Maybe there is a case for reviewing how we organise public lavatories and public changing rooms, but the case is certainly *not* based on the risk that trans people may be sexual predators in disguise.

[pixie374]

Jim, the risk is the same, whether they are men or transgender males. That's what I meant. And if the stats are enough to allow women their own spaces. Then, nothing has changed.
I didn't say that either.... have you seen a convincing "m-f" transition? And more to the point, why are they wanting female spaces?
The biggest problem is, that over 98% of men are not actually having any physical treatment. And I am talking about transgender, rather than transexual (same thing in the end, but easier to prove there is some genuineness there).

[Ellipsis]

This is the sort of person that this language is designed for ...

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/apr/20/the-dad-who-gave-birth-pregnant-trans-freddy-mcconnell

When reading, you might consider, if you were Freddy McConnell's mother or father, whether you would have behaved any differently than they did.

[pixie374]

//but the case is certainly *not* based on the risk that trans people may be sexual predators in disguise.//

It is. Just the same reason we are allowed to keep males out.

[jim360]

// ... have you seen a convincing "m-f" transition? //

Yes, several times. Although, it should be said, the point of surgical transition isn't necessarily to convince others, but to be comfortable in yourself, so in that sense it shouldn't matter whether it is "convincing" or not.

I'd also like to point out that there is at least one documented case I'm aware of on AB of a transvestite being confused for their mother/wife/sister, etc, and he hadn't even gone through surgery or hormone therapy.

Your claim of "always being able to tell" is far too bold when it's demonstrably wrong.

[New Judge]

Leaving the claptrap aside, just about every woman I know would not welcome the presence of men in ladies' toilets whilst they are powdering their noses. Toilets should be segregated by sex then none of this confusion would arise. It would also not need a nineteen page document compiled by people who should have better things to do, to define what labels to put on which door.

[ToraToraTora]

14:37, ellipsis, that example shows she was correct in the first place. A woman, born a woman, decides to transition to a man and then has the instinct to want to have a baby?? I'd say she was in the correct body to start with. If we play along with this wokery then there are men in women's bodies and women in men's bodies, right? so which one is this?

[Spicerack]

To all the people on P1 with a 'so what' attitude. A lot of people are forced to adopt this nonsense or face the sack.
And when this garbage is tolerated today, tomorrow you'll be the ones in hot water for mis-naming the latest nonsense 'they've' decided to rename.