This Is Getting Out Of Hand.......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1395811/Piers-Morgan-NHS-midwives-transgender-chestfeeding-breastfeeding-GMB-video
Mother = Birthing parent! Breast feeding = Chest feeding! For gawds sake how far are we expected to go to accommodate these people?

[naomi24]

//That's fine, you don't have to understand.//

I understand you perfectly well, Jim. You want others to accept the world as you see it regardless of who you upset, offend, embarrass, silence, or inconvenience.

NJ, well said.

[jim360]

I only wish you understood me. I have no intention of offending or upsetting anybody. I will, however, continue to argue for and advocate for my opinions and views. When referring to you personally I'll respect your wishes, but you can hardly expect me to moderate my language in general to suit your wishes.

[pixie374]

You don't need to moderate language, jim- that's what you are already suggesting you will do. Please don't. It's offensive.

[jim360]

I'll call Naomi what she wishes to be called. I'll extend the same privilege to everybody else. In what way is this offensive?

[pixie374]

We can read other posts. And just as if I generally posted "all men are ***".... I would not expect everyone to be unoffended. Even though it isn't personal.
Would you take our views more seriously, if we were "transwomen"?

[jim360]

Also, how is that in any sense offensive when compared to, say, being asked if pursuing trans rights is really a front to enable sexual predators?

[pixie374]

It does enable sexual predators, Jim. It already has. You are falling into the 'all men' trap now.

[jim360]

What was the censored word?

[pixie374]

It began with b.....rds. But not really the point.

[jim360]

Kind of is the point, though, because one is meant to be a convenient three-letter replacement for "women, but not trans women", and another is just deliberately intended as an insult.

[jim360]

I'm also not falling into any traps. I'm certainly not painting "all men" as abusers, or as potentially abusers. I'm asking why all trans people should be treated as (potentially) abusers.

[pixie374]

Cis is an insult. Several of us have said that now. Why does that not matter?

[douglas9401]

In a late development the word 'birthing' is to be replaced by 'wombed' as one natal conduit expressed concern about the use of 'thing' in the new term.

[pixie374]

//I'm also not falling into any traps. I'm certainly not painting "all men" as abusers, or as potentially abusers. I'm asking why all trans people should be treated as (potentially) abusers.//

No, I know. But women have to. We are brought up to be very careful with male strangers especially. I don't expect you to understand it. But there is a world of difference between suggesting that all men are a threat, to one "might" be. And it only takes one.
Again, why are transgender men, not comfortable in their own places? What are they worried about?

[pixie374]

Wombed is too sexist, doug. Only women have those.

[jim360]

Intent is far from irrelevant. If you find "cis" insulting, I'm sorry, but it isn't meant like that. I can only say that I won't use it when referring to you personally if it upsets you.

[jim360]

// But women have to. We are brought up to be very careful with male strangers especially. I don't expect you to understand it. //

No, I probably won't, although (a) trans people aren't ignorant of the sense of danger, and (b) no matter who real it feels, a mere *sense* of danger can never enough to impose restrictions on those who are not *actually* a threat.

Did you watch the video yet by the way? And, for that matter, the rest of that channel's stuff on the subject?

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Why is cis insulting? I don’t understand

[pixie374]

It's offensive to use full-stop, anywhere. It implies that there are different types of women, where actually everyone is individual.
Last attempt... can you please tell me why transgender men are not happy to use their own spaces?

[jim360]

Which spaces do you think transgender women should use?