Not Long Now

[Jordyboy9]

Does anyone hope as I do that it will not be BORIS ?not to long to go before we find out ,TRUMP in the White House,and BORIS in number 10,anyone believe in Devine intervention?

[Zacs-Master]

Lets give him a chance, eh.

[Old_Geezer]

One version was May's deal. I believe splitting the UK so that there was a border between NI and the rest of the UK was an EU plot that it was replacing, was it not ? It's just that TM had a weird idea that us leaving in name only was better from a remainer's point of view.

[ToraToraTora]

why do you always side with our enemies ich?

[Zacs-Master]

'I believe splitting the UK so that there was a border between NI and the rest of the UK was an EU plot that it was replacing'

How so?

[Old_Geezer]

How not ? It was clearly a ridiculous suggestion made knowing no nation could possibly agree to it and seem competent to anyone to be a plausible nation again. If accepted it nobbled the UK, divide & control, if not the EU could pretend lack of progress wasn't their fault.

[Zacs-Master]

If it was, we handed it to them on a plate.

[Old_Geezer]

Should have just insisted we would leave the border open and point out the EU didn't need to reject technological solutions unless it (inc. the RoI) was deliberately determined to have border posts. But no, a remainer PM opted to suggest a permanent BRINO option instead.

[Zacs-Master]

A few facts:
It was Ireland who wanted to ensure the border remains completely open to trade, people, and services in the event of no deal.

The EU agreed at the end of the first phase of Brexit negotiations in December 18 that there would be regulatory alignment between both parts of the island of Ireland in the event of no deal.

The EU’s concern is that the single market has to be protected and it can’t allow sub-standard goods to get into Ireland (and on to elsewhere in the EU).

[Old_Geezer]

I suspect both NI and RoI say they want an open border, but actions and statements since don't support this south of the border. All one hears from there is that the EU demands are all that's on offer, knowing that forces no deal and the border situation still not agreed.

The EU are using the concern to avoid finding a reasonable solution to Brexit. They can agree what they like between themselves on their side of the table but that means little if it is unacceptable on our side. May got nowhere multiple times trying to push the nonsense she'd considered acceptable.

Random checks on goods can be made at the destinations as desired. No one ever catches all smuggling anyway, EU borders aren't immune. Sub-standard goods can be found, were they ever to cross, and the law chase the trail back to catch offenders. It's all just a convenient fuss in order to be difficult.

[Zacs-Master]

OG, are you saying the border will still be an issue come Oct 31st preventing Brexit from happening?

[hereIam]

I'm happy with Trump in USA, and Boris here now and will be even happier if he DOES bring about Brexit.

[Old_Geezer]

Why on Earth would it prevent Brexit ? Only Brexit thwarters finding some other underhand tactic (if one exists) could do that.

[Zacs-Master]

I didn't think there was an 'if'. You mean we might end up staying?

[Zacs-Master]

So, OG, what will happen if we exit on 31st Oct without a deal?

[Old_Geezer]

We leave the border open, the RoI and the EU decide whether their desire for an open border was just hot air or not. I suspect some system of random checking would be done our side of the border. You'd best ask our government on their no deal plans for details.

[Khandro]

// what will happen if we exit on 31st Oct without a deal//

Without a deal with whom?

[Zacs-Master]

I think you've just proved that there's two sides to the argument. One side cannot unilaterally decide whether it was a good thing not to have one or whether it was hot air. There has to be some sort of deal and we leave on 31st Oct. Irresistible force meets immovable object scenario.

[maggiebee]

Rather facetious question - which woman will he move into No 10 with him?

[MallyJ]

Khando...yes I do...all 3 of them. Any prime minister who calls his colleagues dudes and is over 21 and not wearing a back to front baseball cap whilst juggling with a skateboard really is a bit of a buffoon...Trump is an absolute buffoon and Farage seems to appeal to old men...!

[Khandro]

So, you say he has used an innocent term you don't like , & on the strength of that you think he is a buffoon? Is that the depth of you assessment of a man?
Who is really the buffoon here?