Malaysia Airliner Crashes In East Ukraine

[ummmm]

Coincidence?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28354856

[ichkeria]

Russian TV channels are saying the plane was shot down by US agents
Which suggest they are getting their excuses in first ...

"Feel your heid" as they say in some parts of the UK :-)

[DTCwordfan]

Well it was ex AMS, working for Shell and they are huge in both exploration and refining in Malaysia. On the refining side.....

[ChillDoubt]

So there is no Int gathered prior to an attack on a target?
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Not really. If the local Int tells you that there is no friendly aircraft in your TAOR/airspace, anything in it will undoubtedly be deemed hostile.
This is in all probability a fire-and-forget SAM and someone has been trigger happy.
It certainly looks as though the decision made to fly through what is effectively a combat zone has proved catastrophic, sadly.

[wolf63]

Is there proof that it was actually shot down and didn't just explode?

Man's inhumanity to man - as a species do we never learn?

[EcclesCake]

I think we'll have to agree to there being a tactical vs strategic difference of opinion then Chilld :-)

[DrFilth]

19:28:

Flight recorders have been found at the crash site, Konstantin Knyrik, a spokesman for the pro-Russian rebels, has told Interfax news agency. Earlier reports quoted rebels as saying they intended to send the flight recorders to Moscow for checking.

[marval]

Whatever happened, my thoughts and prayers go to their families.

[ichkeria]

"Earlier reports quoted rebels as saying they intended to send the flight recorders to Moscow for checking. "

Ha ha I bet they can't wait.
They must be absolutely bricking themselves.
The plane came down on Ukrainian territory so it would be an act of theft if they did that.

[237SJ]

Any news on your friends DT?

[mikey4444]

I have watched Ch 4 news tonight and it now looks like the airliner was shot down. It didn't just crash. By who, we will know within a day or two but its without doubt the work of forces within the turmoil that the Ukraine has now become. We have all sat around watching this tragedy unfolding in that part of the world for months now and I for one am not a bit surprised that this has happened.

The UN needs to get involved without any further delay, to stop this nonsense gathering any more speed. This was an accident waiting to happen.

[anneasquith]

mikey............it looks like or has been confirmed it was shot down ?

[ChillDoubt]

The UN needs to get involved without any further delay, to stop this nonsense gathering any more speed.
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Yeah, that'll show 'em! The UN and it's troops I such a situation would be about as much use as a catflap on a submarine. I know, I've been one.
Bar the odd minor dispute that is nothing more than handbags, the UN are useless, as was shown by yesterday's ruling over the Srebrenica Massacre.

[mikey4444]

Anne..the flipping plane was shot down...end of story.

[ChillDoubt]

Should read in such a situation, bloody predictive iphone!

[DTCwordfan]

Not yet - I don't want to call quite yet as it may be highly intrusive.

[ichkeria]

The SBU (Ukraine Security Service) had a youtube video claiming to have an intercept of voice traffic of terrorists, proving they shot down the plane. But it was mysteriously removed.
At the risk of sounding like a cracked record, if it was shot down there is absolutely no question which side did it.
As for bringing the conflict to an end, easier said than done. Rather a shame if it takes something like this to make the EU wake up to the evil to their east. Tho Putin's daughter lives in the Netherlands, inconveniently for her perhaps just now ...

[Hypognosis]

@237SJ (Page 1)

Agreed. That about wraps it up for Flightradar24. Even the 5 minute delay applied to FAA data (USA & Can) doesn't stop you seeing the thing coming your way and you're under a regular route.

You'll have noticed how all the exec jet traffic stopped transmitting tail reg numbers, about 6 months ago?

[237SJ]

Nobody knows anything until the black boxes are analysed and even then, they might not be able to tell what happened. They have wreckage though and that will be the evidence re explosives.

[DTCwordfan]

They were saying on the news that the US/Allies will be going through sat footage, surface to air missiles leave a distinctive ultra-violet band signal and it's quite easy to track back onto the ground.

[237SJ]

Well, the US will be going through the footage because it`s a Boeing.