Malaysia Airliner Crashes In East Ukraine

[ummmm]

Coincidence?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28354856

[Zacs-Master]

What about the telemetry of its engines, would that info give any clues?

[237SJ]

I think that whatever happened to this aircraft happend very, very suddenly. I doubt that there will be much information to be gleaned from the flight data. The evidence will come from the wreckage.

[237SJ]

*happened* whoops

[ichkeria]

Russian news channels, immediately after the crash, were showing footage of the aftermath, along with claims by rebels that they had shot down an An-26. Of course it maybe that they were simply jumping on the bandwagon, but that seems pretty damning circumstantial evidence to me ...

[ichkeria]

At 17.50 Moscow Time, 35 mins after contact was lost with the flight, Colonel Igor Strelkov, Russian terrorist commander in Donbass region, tweeted that he had received a message from his militia saying that an An-26 aircraft had been downed by their men. This message, and an accompanying youtube video have since been deleted, but ...
Pretty conclusive I would say.

[ichkeria]

And there are also reports that the terrorists looted the corpses as they lay on the ground.
I've seen pictures but they are absolutely shocking so I'm not going to post any links

[mikey4444]

6 Brits were on the plane apparently :::

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28358968

[Hypognosis]

@ichkeria

Are they getting mixed up with this Ukranian An-26, shot down on 14-07-14?

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20140714-0

[ichkeria]

I doubt it Hypognosis: unfortunately quite a few planes have been downed by the terrorists in the last few weeks.
And reportedly they've fired a spate of the Buk missiles over the past few days.
It seems plain to me now that the people responsible for this were "button pushers" - with little idea of what they were doing other than "see a plane shoot it down"

[mikey4444]

Hypognosis...who are "they" ?

The civilian airliner was definitely shot down, or have I misunderstood your post ?
My apologies if I have ! Its been a very long and every hot day !

[DTCwordfan]

Any names yet, mikey?

[mikey4444]

Not yet DTC, at least not according to the BBC....bit early perhaps for exact details.

[237SJ]

Mikey - you are just going to have to wait for some more details. Sorry about that but that is just the way it is.

[Hypognosis]

Article mikey links to says "…from many nations onboard".

Thoughts go out to all the affected families.

@Ummmm

No coincidence. MH370 had a lot of Chinese on board, heading home. No foreign power would be foolish enough to mess with them.
I see no motive for anyone to provoke Malaysia.
Whoever gave the fire order might be behind the times regarding civilian flights using flexible GPS routing, rather than official air corridors. It was a plane that shouldn't have been in his patch of sky, ergo enemy recon flight etc. :-(

[ichkeria]

And here is the video I mentioned earlier. Rescued and re-posted to youtube.
Note that the terrorists are actually talking to intelligence officers of the Russian armed forces!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnuHxAR01Jo&feature=youtu.be

[mikey4444]

Most of the dead were Dutch apparently.

[237SJ]

That makes no difference (re the Dutch)

[Hypognosis]

@mikey I was referring to ichkeria's post of 21:49 regarding rebel claims.

An-26 is a twin turboprop (sounds different to a jet), shaped nothing like a B777, flies at lower altitude which makes contrails unlikely in summer weather. It would take a complete ignoramus to mix them up.

[Peter Pedant]

Icjkeria - bolshoye spasibo !

[ zat is Rossian for sank you varry mudge ]

How did you do it - anyway damn well done and also to Chilldoubt for a better insight than the Been are doing.

The pretty hackette on the Beeb is still talking about a passenger plane that has seemed to stop flying......

[ichkeria]

"It would take a complete ignoramus to mix them up. "

The An-26 thing is a red herring Hypo.
But watch the above video, (look at the subtitles) and tell me that we aren't dealing with ignoramuses here. Not the sort of people who should be handling surface to air missiles