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I can't say I find myself surprised when my own comments on Johnson are roundly dismissed. But there's something almost disheartening about seeing someone like Barmaid give a measured critique, from a position of obvious reluctance and even regret, and it get the same treatment. A life-long Conservative, a clear Johnson supporter, someone with plenty of sympathy for the circumstances of his early leadership -- and, most relevantly, a long-time and well-respected member of this site.

/DM readers are the only ones gullible enough to believe him! //

My, we have some towering intellects here. :o)

Untitled, on the contrary. We care about fair play - something, having supported this travesty, you clearly have no concept of.
//My, we have some towering intellects here//

Are you one of the above said Naomi?

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ClareTG0ld, I do not consider plucking at heart strings in order to support an argument measured critique.
Not me, 1ozzy. Only the other day I was told I was gormless - and my critic is always right.
you are simply incorrect about the basic facts naomi which is unsurprising considering you refuse to familiarise yourself with them

the manner in which you have defended johnson is extremely dishonest
Barmaid's post is evidently written with reluctance and a good deal of what I'd almost call regret. I'm sure that, if she wanted, she could also present a non-emotional argument for you to also dismiss.
I think not, untitled.
ClareTG0ld. I wouldn't have dismissed a non-emotional argument from Barmaid. In fact I was very surprised she took that route.
I see that Boris’s first piece of drivel for his new employer is available to read in the DM on-line.

Whilst the Boris faithful might lap-up such nonsense, no doubt the other DM scribes will not be happy about how much he is being paid for such musings.
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you mean like you and your latest piece of drivel and all the other obsessive drivel that will follow..
One account of someone saying things went on as 'normal' is hardly explosive stuff. There has been no evidence produced to suggest that this 'normal' stuff wasn't believed to comply with the regulations passed. A regular merting is just that, nothing more. And so while folk may suspect individuals of lying, no real evidence has been presented. It is all opinion.

I have mentioned before that regardless of what went on at these meetings, it had zero bearing on the experiences of others elsewhere. Those misfortunes would occur anyway. One can take issue with the goverment's strategies; masks, lockdowns, distancing, etc., but that is a seperate issue. Indeed it is clear that those making accusations of Boris were either unaware of the emotional turmoil they may cause those who had, had such bad experiences, or they were so determined to bring down someone who had not capitulated to their views that they just didn't care. The situation remains that the trouble they generated is down purely to their speculation, and the public should note what their politicians' real aims are, and what democracy means to politicians in general.
We didn't really need the enquiry to know he was lying. All that was required was to compare what he said, with the facts of what happened, including the photographs.

His defence of 'I'm too lazy to understand the rules I told everyone else to follow' was never going to cut it.
That was mentioned yesterday, atheist. Since he can't be suspended, I did ask what the penalty might be but didn't get an answer. It seems from your link there isn't one. Moving on ...
the penalty would only kick in if the house votes to apply it and then after that if johnson returns to parliament... he has violated the rules of parliament by deliberately misleading the house and so the penalties only really apply in parliament

Old Geezer

Boris johnson without doubt knew what the rules actually were and was at present at events when they were not being followed... he also demonstrably lied to the house of commons about the advice he received concerning their legality

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