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Is this something we should be worried about?
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You need to understand a few things about this
(here's a more helpful link)
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Firstly Ukraine has a long history of subjugation by the USSR (the real USSR, as opposed to the rather pathetic imitation EUSSR that some people bang on about :-) ) and many of the commemorations of the resistance to that sadly do draw far right elements. This is a facet of Eastern Europe which is by no means peculiar to Ukraine, but also seen in countries like Hungary, Poland and most of all Russia.
Politically these groups in Ukraine are non-starters, with zero representation in parliament.
Second, if you compare the OP's link, and similar links, with mine here, you may get the suspicion that there is a bit of an agenda there by the relevant Kremlin sponsored news agencies, who want you to believe that Ukraine is a hotbed of Fascism that threatens Europe when in reality the threat to the west comes from the sponsors themselves. Ultimately, this is a nationalist resistance commemoration, and while there is never anything good about people giving Nazi salutes, it is not exactly the Nuremburg rallies.
(here's a more helpful link)
https:/
Firstly Ukraine has a long history of subjugation by the USSR (the real USSR, as opposed to the rather pathetic imitation EUSSR that some people bang on about :-) ) and many of the commemorations of the resistance to that sadly do draw far right elements. This is a facet of Eastern Europe which is by no means peculiar to Ukraine, but also seen in countries like Hungary, Poland and most of all Russia.
Politically these groups in Ukraine are non-starters, with zero representation in parliament.
Second, if you compare the OP's link, and similar links, with mine here, you may get the suspicion that there is a bit of an agenda there by the relevant Kremlin sponsored news agencies, who want you to believe that Ukraine is a hotbed of Fascism that threatens Europe when in reality the threat to the west comes from the sponsors themselves. Ultimately, this is a nationalist resistance commemoration, and while there is never anything good about people giving Nazi salutes, it is not exactly the Nuremburg rallies.
has anyone read anything on the rest of the site ?
"Bannim outed Harvey Weinstein as a direct attack on Hillary Clinton"
excuse me what was that? a direct attack on Clinton should be an attack of some sort on er Clinton
with logic like that the writeer would be at home at ... well AB for a start....
"Bannim outed Harvey Weinstein as a direct attack on Hillary Clinton"
excuse me what was that? a direct attack on Clinton should be an attack of some sort on er Clinton
with logic like that the writeer would be at home at ... well AB for a start....
Naomi...its happening because it never really went away.
In all the countries that the Nazis invaded during WW2, there was a ready made ultra far right Party there to help them. Those Parties never went away, and now see an opportunity to spread there poison afresh.
In the 1930's it was Jews that they blamed for all their ills. Now its immigrants in general and Muslims in particular that are being made scapegoats.
Judging by the link that Maggie has given us above, its still the same old story from the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, that we used to hear in days of old.
The leader of the procession included Oleg Tyahnybok, called for Ukraine to do more to halt the "criminal activities" of "organized Jewry.”
In all the countries that the Nazis invaded during WW2, there was a ready made ultra far right Party there to help them. Those Parties never went away, and now see an opportunity to spread there poison afresh.
In the 1930's it was Jews that they blamed for all their ills. Now its immigrants in general and Muslims in particular that are being made scapegoats.
Judging by the link that Maggie has given us above, its still the same old story from the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, that we used to hear in days of old.
The leader of the procession included Oleg Tyahnybok, called for Ukraine to do more to halt the "criminal activities" of "organized Jewry.”
// In all the countries that the Nazis invaded during WW2, there was a ultra far right Party there to help. Those Parties never went away, and now see an opportunity to spread there poison afresh. //
erm well no - in late 1944 when Germany was losing the war plenty plenty - my father in Eichstatt POW camp said to one of the guards ( german that is - just to set the scene) - "you were welcomed in when you invaded in 1941 and you have behaved so brutally to the eastern peoples - they have come back to massacre you and your families"
and the guard said - yes yes mistakes were made in the East.
there was absolutely no love for German liberation by 1945 and the peoples were deported back to Germany (Volga Germans) or sent to the gulags
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erm well no - in late 1944 when Germany was losing the war plenty plenty - my father in Eichstatt POW camp said to one of the guards ( german that is - just to set the scene) - "you were welcomed in when you invaded in 1941 and you have behaved so brutally to the eastern peoples - they have come back to massacre you and your families"
and the guard said - yes yes mistakes were made in the East.
there was absolutely no love for German liberation by 1945 and the peoples were deported back to Germany (Volga Germans) or sent to the gulags
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Like fender says (and I don't often agree with him) this is a national commemoration. At the very worst, it is Ukraine's problem to deal with and nothing whatever to do with threatening the west.
There is also a strain of virulent anti-semitism that runs through eastern Europe in particular. Russia is by far the worst offender, but it is not unique to that country. Lviv was a Jewish city and was effectively purged not just by Nazis.
However, while that is a sordid side to the story it is only one side. Millions of Ukrainians were deliberately starved to death by Stalin in the engineered Great Famine of the 30s and that is the chief of many incidents which help to define the way people feel today. Another is the Babyn Yar massacre of 1941 when the "boot" to use fender's apt term was on the Nazi, not the Soviet foot.
Want to be "worried"? Worry about the crude propaganda that the Kremlin uses to besmirch the countries it is still sticking its own boot in today.
There is also a strain of virulent anti-semitism that runs through eastern Europe in particular. Russia is by far the worst offender, but it is not unique to that country. Lviv was a Jewish city and was effectively purged not just by Nazis.
However, while that is a sordid side to the story it is only one side. Millions of Ukrainians were deliberately starved to death by Stalin in the engineered Great Famine of the 30s and that is the chief of many incidents which help to define the way people feel today. Another is the Babyn Yar massacre of 1941 when the "boot" to use fender's apt term was on the Nazi, not the Soviet foot.
Want to be "worried"? Worry about the crude propaganda that the Kremlin uses to besmirch the countries it is still sticking its own boot in today.
never understood why jews were blamed for bad government administration at the time, i suppose they needed a scape goat, and a terrible..wrong word.. diabolical persecution of a minority ensued.
as for muslims or islam, they do not integrate, a few do..but in general no. muslim first anything else takes a back seat, taqiyya is the word. it's in their book of death or conquest, read the koran few different versions, but basically the same mantra.
as for muslims or islam, they do not integrate, a few do..but in general no. muslim first anything else takes a back seat, taqiyya is the word. it's in their book of death or conquest, read the koran few different versions, but basically the same mantra.
mikey4444
fender...I have been predicting the rise of the Far Right, here in Europe, for years.
You did, fair play to you ... even as radical Islam reeked havoc across Europe. Killing with machine guns, lorries and bombs ... you never wavered and got distracted from your message that the Far Right was on the increase in Europe.
fender...I have been predicting the rise of the Far Right, here in Europe, for years.
You did, fair play to you ... even as radical Islam reeked havoc across Europe. Killing with machine guns, lorries and bombs ... you never wavered and got distracted from your message that the Far Right was on the increase in Europe.
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