Koran

[atalanta]

Islam is so deeply divided, all Muslims seem to claim the Koran supports their side of the argument, so I reckon it's about time I read it for myself.
Can anyone recommend a particularly good translation ?

[birdie1971]

Khandro - "... My post addressed the question in the OP; "Can anyone recommend a particularly good translation?", others have attempted an answer, you have not."

You're absolutely correct. I have not. The copy of the Koran that I posses is by Haleem. I use it in conjunction with various online Islamic sources.

Why do you ask? Interesting video link by the way.

Also, in your quoting of me you typed, "birdie; // take advice from a man who wholly embraces the concepts of............//". Why the apparent self-censorship? The remainder of my sentence was "... Kitman and Taqiyya." These are not dirty words to Muslims. They are concepts well known to, and embraced by them. They are just one of the many linguistic tools with which Islam is spread. One of the other tools being the redefining of everyday words to mean something quite different to the initiated so that they deliberately mislead the uninitiated. Words such as, "innocent", "freedom", "rape" and "slander" (to name just four) all have very different meanings when used within the context of the Islamic world-view. None of the Islamic definitions bear much resemblance to their English counterparts. Yet they and others are used by progressive Islamists to hoodwink the naive, largely good-natured non-muslims into believing that Islam is a harmless religion that is happy to integrate into whatever society it finds itself.

The reality is that nothing could be further from the truth. Islam doesn't "do" integration. It does passive aggressive insidiousness and when it reaches a critical mass in any particular society, it rapidly and ruthlessly takes control. It has happened many, many times before and it will happen again. It cannot be otherwise because it is written in the Koran. Mohammed (from his grave) instructs each and every one of his followers to impose a totalitarian Islamic regime on the entire world.

But don't take my word for it. Ask our resident Islamic scholar, "Keyplus". He has said on a number of occasions that Islam's goal is to rule and dominate the world. He's stated more than once that he can't wait for this to happen. Then people like you and me, Naomi, VE, et all, would be publicly executed for our beliefs while he and his other Islamic brethren grin like Cheshire Cats.

[Hypognosis]

@Keyplus

//And during the last Ramazan of Prophet’s (pbuh) life it was recited twice to make sure there is no mistake.//

How did they know that he was going to die in less than 12 months?

[keyplus90]

I wouldn’t post anymore as the purpose of the thread has been served. However if only Theland takes my challenge and prove that he is a true believer of Jesus (pbuh) according to Bible then I will post and before that I will become Christian as well, so come on Theland earn your paradise by saving one more person from fire of hell.

If someone have other questions then please post another thread as I don’t like posting when the person who posted the question is there no more. Thank You.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, no question from me, but that argument you insist on attempting to use is becoming very tired. I told you only recently, and not for the first time, that all authors of religious works write nonsense. Mohammed was an expert.

[Khandro]

birdie; Your quote was abbreviated for the sake of economy, I was pointing to the fact that your first post on the thread had not addressed the OP and instead had started straight off with having a go at your poor old antagonist, K.P. Blessings! K.

[Theland]

Key plus, before you end up joining that demon Mohammed in hell, save yourself and embrace eternal life and forgiveness in Christ Jesus.
You ask Him and He will do the rest.
I do not save souls, Jesus does that.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Do you think your last post was reasonable, Theland?

[Theland]

Reasonable. Yes very.

[Hypognosis]

@Theland

If a person can't be faithful to the religion their parents brought them up with, how faithful can they be expected to be to their new one?

Is there any qualitative difference between religious conversion and someone switching brands (of something upon which their is an addictive dependency) in response to advertising?

As an exercise (or thought experiment), persuade a friend over 30 to support a different football team.

Does that seem remotely respectful of their core being and/or (family) culture?

Why should anyone respect your belief system if you do not respect those of other people?

[Theland]

I respect Jesus Christ.