Reasons For Lying?

[goodlife]

People lie for many reasons. Some think they are obligated to lie about their abilities in order to get ahead in this competitive world.

Others try to cover up errors or guilt with lies. Still others falsify reports to give the impression that they have done work they have not done.

Then there are those who lie to damage another’s reputation, to avoid embarrassment, to justify previous lies, or to defraud people of their money.( Rev. 21:8)

[mikey4444]

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[modeller]

ideo //Modeller@So in that case, I can't believe a word you say. //
Quite right I agree with you . I find your approach of causing pain in the short term for the sake of your principles and their souls especialy interesting.

[modeller]

goodlife //But Jesus, .............. confirmed that the record in Genesis is not myth but true history. and the results of that lie are still with you today, ....//

So Jesus's confirmation was a lie !

P.S When are you going to tell me how you would have consoled
that 5yr old. ?

[naomi24]

Octavius, //Yawn..... So what did you say then.//

I didn't say what you said. Read it again.

[goodlife]

//When are you going to tell me how you would have consoled
that 5yr old.//

modeller its been said you can't believe a word you say,because, I say what the Bible says not what I say.

[goodlife]

When you see today governments employ the technique of lying to their own people as well as to other governments. One government official said, when asked about lying, that it is the inherent right of a government to lie to save itself.

God’s Word counsels differently: Speak truth each one of you with his neighbor, because we are members belonging to one another. (Eph. 4:25) Unity can come only if people speak truth with one another. Liars are deceivers. How could lying possibly produce unity that is built on Liars.

[naomi24]

Goodlife, tell me what happened at Easter.

[mibn2cweus]

Khandro
mibn; The reason I'm finding your posts incompreHensible is because you are trying too hard to form a connection between lying, and what you personally consider to be an erroneous belief by someone else.
11:05 Thu 05th Sep 2013

I do not seek belief nor ask to be believed. If anything I discourage it. What I attempt to acquire from those with whom the potential exists is an improved mutual understanding to the extent we can relate in terms of common experience and share this pursuit as a common goal, apart from which comprehension ceases to be an option and any truth we might have shared is suspended beyond our reach.

[pixie373]

So, if Jesus is the most truthful man, how do you know Matthew wasn't the liar?

[goodlife]

Naomi I have repeatedly told you that I believe the Bible. If you prefer to follow pagan customs then go to the library and find out for yourself how they celebrate easter.

[jomifl]

'Jesus, the most truthful man who ever lived', and you know that for a fact do you GL? or is it just another of your lies. Ignorance is not an excuse for promulgating lies, since you always have the option of saying nothing.

[Khandro]

mibn; //I do not seek belief nor ask to be believed.// I didn't say you did, I said you are trying to associate the act of lying to the beliefs of others, merely on the grounds that you do not share that belief. Even if a belief is not objectively true, believing it is doesn't constitute lying.

[naomi24]

Goodlife, I'm not asking you how pagans (or anyone else) celebrates Easter. I'm asking you what, according to the bible, happened at Easter. To make it simpler, you say you believe the bible, so which version of the accounts of Easter do you believe - and which do you consider to be lies? They contradictor one another so it follows that they can't all be right.

[naomi24]

*contradict

[modeller]

goodlife Three of the gospels say there were no women present at the crucifixion. There were only some in the distance but one gospel says Mary
mother of Jesus and three others were at the foot of the cross. What is more it says Jesus spoke with his mother. So who is lying ?

P.S When are you going to say how you would console that distraught 5yr
old child. Can't you find the answer in the bible ?

[mibn2cweus]

Khandro
mibn; //I do not seek belief nor ask to be believed.// I didn't say you did, I said you are trying to associate the act of lying to the beliefs of others, merely on the grounds that you do not share that belief. Even if a belief is not objectively true, believing it is doesn't constitute lying.
17:06 Thu 05th Sep 2013

Nor have I said that believing in the arbitrary constitutes lying, even if the assertion that one accepts as truth was in fact a deliberate lie. Repeating a lie does not necessarily make one a liar any more than believing a lie makes it true. To lie is to deliberately assert as fact that which one knows for a fact to be untrue.

The question is when, if ever, is lying justified and my previous post was an attempt to present such a circumstance, that being when a lie becomes necessary to defend oneself from the consequences of another's belief in the arbitrary, for example, when confronted with someone who believes in their 'god given' right or obligation to kill you.

I'm not sure there's much point really in trying to make the inherent incomprehensibility of religion comprehensible, but what the hey, for you this once, I gave it a shot. When one abandons objectivity and reason as their sole means of ascertaining and establishing the validity of their own beliefs for the sake of heaven knows what imagined benefit they hope to derive from it, it is they who have abdicated their right to demand from others the truth they have themselves abandoned.

[sandyRoe]

Differing accounts of the same event don't necessarily mean that the people who penned them were liars. Indeed, if you had four witnesses to something that happened, and each of their accounts were identical, you might wonder how they all came to be singing from the same hymn sheet.

[janbee]

If an adoring new Mum says "isn't my baby beautiful", what do you say? The baby looks like an ugly shrivelled old walnut but I don't want to say that to the Mum so I lie and say "yes, he/she is beautiful". I lied but to tell the truth would've been hurtful and very cruel. We all lie, whether the lies are little white ones or great big fat black ones. I don't like lying and I certainly don't like being lied to, but sometimes it HAS to be done, to spare feelings. xx

[naomi24]

//Differing accounts of the same event don't necessarily mean that the people who penned them were liars.//

No, it doesn’t. It does, however, mean that only one account can be true - hence Goodlife’s claim that he believes the bible is fatuous.

[Octavius]

Then that also flies in the face of the collective memories you have claimed for ghost spotting then. If only one persons recollection is true, the rest must be lying.