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"Let Us Take Back Control Of Our Borders"
Rishi Sunak has confirmed he will offer thousands of young Indians the right to live and work in Britain as he prepares to meet the country's
PM Narendra Modi at the G20 Summit. This scheme will start next year starting with allowing 3,000 young Indians into Britain between the age of 18 and 30 .
PM Narendra Modi at the G20 Summit. This scheme will start next year starting with allowing 3,000 young Indians into Britain between the age of 18 and 30 .
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//50,000 Albanian economic migrants who think they’re on freebie//
Best to let the authorities assess their status first.
Encouraging are the figures given below:
The British Medical Association’s database holds approximately 1,200 medically qualified refugees.
It costs around £25,000 to support a refugee doctor to practise here in the UK.
Compare this to £250,000 it takes to train a undergraduate at one of the UK's medical universities. Clearly it can be seen the cost is not only tenfold but these courses are 5/6 years in duration.
Best to let the authorities assess their status first.
Encouraging are the figures given below:
The British Medical Association’s database holds approximately 1,200 medically qualified refugees.
It costs around £25,000 to support a refugee doctor to practise here in the UK.
Compare this to £250,000 it takes to train a undergraduate at one of the UK's medical universities. Clearly it can be seen the cost is not only tenfold but these courses are 5/6 years in duration.
"does this not benefit the UK in that, lengthy terms (years) of training and associated costs are avoided?"
For trained folk, only in the short term; and detrimentally it continues the idea that one need not bother accepting the responsibility of training the necessary skills we need, as they can be taken from other nations that need them and who have trained them.
Furthermore the benefit is hardly as beneficial as one might hope since they will have taken the available jobs while those unemployed here who are left untrained still need supporting from the taxpayer; so we've lost the chance to reduce the welfare budget on top. Buying in labour should be a desperate, and guilt ridden, last option, always avoided whenever possible.
For trained folk, only in the short term; and detrimentally it continues the idea that one need not bother accepting the responsibility of training the necessary skills we need, as they can be taken from other nations that need them and who have trained them.
Furthermore the benefit is hardly as beneficial as one might hope since they will have taken the available jobs while those unemployed here who are left untrained still need supporting from the taxpayer; so we've lost the chance to reduce the welfare budget on top. Buying in labour should be a desperate, and guilt ridden, last option, always avoided whenever possible.
//Furthermore the benefit is hardly as beneficial as one might hope since they will have taken the available jobs while those unemployed here who are left untrained still need supporting from the taxpayer//
One must be pragmatic.
There are tens of thousands of vacancies in the NHS. Much needed positions which have remained unoccupied.
Surely we cannot wait forever hoping the unemployed with apply or are even qualified to take up these jobs?
I take your point about trained personnel across a number of disciplines leaving their country to work in the UK. It starves their native country of the expertise they have acquired at the cost of the country they call home.
However we must remember, many doctors and nurses who have qualified here in the UK, they too will go to work in other countries.
Is this not a factor why there is a shortage of staff working in our hospitals?
One must be pragmatic.
There are tens of thousands of vacancies in the NHS. Much needed positions which have remained unoccupied.
Surely we cannot wait forever hoping the unemployed with apply or are even qualified to take up these jobs?
I take your point about trained personnel across a number of disciplines leaving their country to work in the UK. It starves their native country of the expertise they have acquired at the cost of the country they call home.
However we must remember, many doctors and nurses who have qualified here in the UK, they too will go to work in other countries.
Is this not a factor why there is a shortage of staff working in our hospitals?
I dont understand why people bang on about doctors and nurses, they are not the only degree educated people we need by a long chalk.
On the subject of doctors though it is not uncommon for doctors to pop abroad to gain some experience. My daughter was an A&E doctor in Sydney to do just that.
Of course, we should probably look at why we dont have the right people coming out of University and maybe look to stop the Mickey Mouse degrees especially from the old Poly's.
Mind you, news today is the Uni courses must get more woke to pass, I am pretty sure the Indians wont be indoctrinated in this way so welcome all I say. I like Indian people, got many Indian friends.
On the subject of doctors though it is not uncommon for doctors to pop abroad to gain some experience. My daughter was an A&E doctor in Sydney to do just that.
Of course, we should probably look at why we dont have the right people coming out of University and maybe look to stop the Mickey Mouse degrees especially from the old Poly's.
Mind you, news today is the Uni courses must get more woke to pass, I am pretty sure the Indians wont be indoctrinated in this way so welcome all I say. I like Indian people, got many Indian friends.
Quite honestly I'm surprised that anybody would bother to travel halfway round the world to work in the NHS. It is a complete shambles, is unfit for purpose and is full of front line staff complaining that they are underpaid and cannot cope. It's not the fault of the staff it's the fault of the organisation and why anybody would want to get involved with it is a mystery.
The trouble is, fender, for 40 or more years both the government and private employers have been addicted to an endless supply of cheap, readily trained labour from abroad. The taxpayer has picked up the tab for poor pay (in the form of Tax Credits) and for those who prefer not to work. What's not to like? Why go to the bother and expense of staff training? That will be paid for overseas. Why pay decent wages? The taxpayer will ensure your employees have enough to live on (just).
"Is this not a factor why there is a shortage of staff working in our hospitals?"
It sounds like another indication of insufficient training going on. If a student pays for themself then offering training is a separate commercial decision and ought not be considered as part of NHS planning. If the nation pays for the training then there should be a requirement to remain in the NHS employ until the nation's investment has paid off.
Meanwhile folk going elsewhere after being trained here seems to imply that the health industry is not offering what is considered an appropriate market rate (total package) for someone that qualified.
It seems to be common practice that employers would prefer not to pay nationally accepted rates but hope instead to hire on the cheap by short circuiting the national market and hiring from abroad.
As for sorting an immediate shortage, unfortunately that excuse is continually used and so nothing ever gets sorted that way. There may be an argument for desperate pre-arranged short to medium term contracts while others get trained, but even so it would need to be understood from the start that at the end of the contract their permission to remain ends, as we would've covered our previous failure to invest in our own citizens and finally be self sufficient.
It sounds like another indication of insufficient training going on. If a student pays for themself then offering training is a separate commercial decision and ought not be considered as part of NHS planning. If the nation pays for the training then there should be a requirement to remain in the NHS employ until the nation's investment has paid off.
Meanwhile folk going elsewhere after being trained here seems to imply that the health industry is not offering what is considered an appropriate market rate (total package) for someone that qualified.
It seems to be common practice that employers would prefer not to pay nationally accepted rates but hope instead to hire on the cheap by short circuiting the national market and hiring from abroad.
As for sorting an immediate shortage, unfortunately that excuse is continually used and so nothing ever gets sorted that way. There may be an argument for desperate pre-arranged short to medium term contracts while others get trained, but even so it would need to be understood from the start that at the end of the contract their permission to remain ends, as we would've covered our previous failure to invest in our own citizens and finally be self sufficient.
each of them to bring in huge taxes if they are successful as Mrs. Rishi...... @10 percent of her wealth, 7.5 mln x the proposed number of legal immigrants could be quite a number towards filling the Government's deficit hole.....far more than whatever the OP could ever dream or whip up from his Transylvanian perch.
