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Another Manifesto pledge broken by the Tories .
How many pensioners will vote Tory at the next G/E now that they have suspended the triple lock system on their state pensions. Typical Tory Trick The rich get rich and the pensioners get poorer.
How many pensioners will vote Tory at the next G/E now that they have suspended the triple lock system on their state pensions. Typical Tory Trick The rich get rich and the pensioners get poorer.
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Voting for the same Party regardless of how well they perform is just monumentally stupid. Even if you're a long-term Tory supporter, it should be obvious that you want a *competent* and capable Tory party. A good way to achieve that is to send them to opposition now and then, to make sure that they don't fall into complacency. As regards the triple lock, I'm...
09:34 Wed 19th Oct 2022
Yeah, screw the pensioners, they can freeze over the winter whilst we concentrate on sorting bankers bonuses and not put a windfall tax on the tens of billions the oil and energy companies will make.
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But at least the Shell boss gets it.
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/Taxes on firms within the oil and gas industry are "inevitable" to help the poorest people, the outgoing boss of Shell has said.
Ben van Beurden said that energy markets cannot behave in a way that "damage a significant part of society".
Households in the UK have been under pressure from rising energy bills as gas prices have soared.
The UK government under Liz Truss has pushed back against extending a windfall tax on oil and gas firms.
Last week, the EU agreed emergency measures to charge energy firms on record profits./
Yet the Tory ABers claim they shouldn’t be taxed, as the pensioners are shafted?
What a sick bunch they are, no shame over greed.
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But at least the Shell boss gets it.
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/Taxes on firms within the oil and gas industry are "inevitable" to help the poorest people, the outgoing boss of Shell has said.
Ben van Beurden said that energy markets cannot behave in a way that "damage a significant part of society".
Households in the UK have been under pressure from rising energy bills as gas prices have soared.
The UK government under Liz Truss has pushed back against extending a windfall tax on oil and gas firms.
Last week, the EU agreed emergency measures to charge energy firms on record profits./
Yet the Tory ABers claim they shouldn’t be taxed, as the pensioners are shafted?
What a sick bunch they are, no shame over greed.
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//Same here- I will never vote for Labour again- ever. We've seen high inflation before and we'll see it again. But that's no incentive to vote for Labour thanks very much. Posts from trolls on here who don't even live in the UK won't swing it in Labour's direction despite your daily bile and repetitive anti-government ranting.//
Lol, take a look at the polls and what’s happening in your own party, me old china.
//Same here- I will never vote for Labour again- ever. We've seen high inflation before and we'll see it again. But that's no incentive to vote for Labour thanks very much. Posts from trolls on here who don't even live in the UK won't swing it in Labour's direction despite your daily bile and repetitive anti-government ranting.//
Lol, take a look at the polls and what’s happening in your own party, me old china.
Oh dear. From Sky News:
/Another former minister says they won't vote for end to pensions triple-lock Steve Double, a former Defra minister who was sacked by Liz Truss, joined fellow Tory backbencher Maria Caulfield in saying he would not vote for an end to the pensions triple-lock.
He quoted a tweet from Ms Caulfield, in which she said she would not back such a move in the Commons, with the caption: "Nor me."
The triple lock is a rule that means the state pension must rise each year in line with the highest of three possible figures, inflation, average earnings or 2.5%.
Ms Truss had committed to the pensions triple lock during the summer Conservative leadership campaign.
But after new chancellor Jeremy Hunt scrapped large swathes of the government's mini-budget yesterday, questions are swirling about what other policies could be axed as work to stabilise the country's finances begins./
This Party is tearing itself to pieces with all these U-turns.
Time for a GE and let them spend 10 years in opposition as they try and work out what they actually stand for.
/Another former minister says they won't vote for end to pensions triple-lock Steve Double, a former Defra minister who was sacked by Liz Truss, joined fellow Tory backbencher Maria Caulfield in saying he would not vote for an end to the pensions triple-lock.
He quoted a tweet from Ms Caulfield, in which she said she would not back such a move in the Commons, with the caption: "Nor me."
The triple lock is a rule that means the state pension must rise each year in line with the highest of three possible figures, inflation, average earnings or 2.5%.
Ms Truss had committed to the pensions triple lock during the summer Conservative leadership campaign.
But after new chancellor Jeremy Hunt scrapped large swathes of the government's mini-budget yesterday, questions are swirling about what other policies could be axed as work to stabilise the country's finances begins./
This Party is tearing itself to pieces with all these U-turns.
Time for a GE and let them spend 10 years in opposition as they try and work out what they actually stand for.
Yeah - Red Robbo & his ilk were real sweeties & a great asset to the country (Mick Lynch is following in his footsteps). Thatcher did us a great disservice cracking down on the unions. And she should have rolled over & let the Argies take the Falklands & the people who bought their council house hate her guts.
The only reason I will vote in the next GE is if Boris is back in with a chance, but I can't see it. Like many others, I will NEVER vote Labour again, ever. I have to say though that I do remember the tories saying before Boris got in that the 'triple lock is safe with them' ! I have to be honest though, I didn't believe them, on the whole most, if not all, politicians, lie ....
Voting for the same Party regardless of how well they perform is just monumentally stupid. Even if you're a long-term Tory supporter, it should be obvious that you want a *competent* and capable Tory party. A good way to achieve that is to send them to opposition now and then, to make sure that they don't fall into complacency.
As regards the triple lock, I'm sure most people are right to say that it's unsustainable, but from a purely political point of view that's beside the point. Nobody votes to make themselves directly poorer, and even if most pensioners would gladly see the sense in scrapping an unsustainable policy, they are a huge and diverse voting bloc. When Theresa May suggested the same thing in 2017 -- when economic circumstances were far less painful -- she got slaughtered for it, and it (probably) cost her an outright majority. It only takes a small percentage of voting pensioners to flip sides to swing an election (or, perhaps, to really hammer home the scale of the Tory's defeat). Politicians who want to remove the Triple Lock do so at their peril.
As regards the triple lock, I'm sure most people are right to say that it's unsustainable, but from a purely political point of view that's beside the point. Nobody votes to make themselves directly poorer, and even if most pensioners would gladly see the sense in scrapping an unsustainable policy, they are a huge and diverse voting bloc. When Theresa May suggested the same thing in 2017 -- when economic circumstances were far less painful -- she got slaughtered for it, and it (probably) cost her an outright majority. It only takes a small percentage of voting pensioners to flip sides to swing an election (or, perhaps, to really hammer home the scale of the Tory's defeat). Politicians who want to remove the Triple Lock do so at their peril.
Like many other I have worked all my life and paid full NI. Now with the cost of inflation I and any others seem to be set for a period of austerity. The difference is that I, along with many others and all of us pensioners, cannot go on strike and nor can we always do a part-time job to supplement our pensions.
Do you really think it is right that we should be penalised by having the triple-lock to our pensions being taken away?
I don't want to be greedy but I've worked and saved all my life and now I'm being penalised for not being rich. If I was, I could look forward to multiple handouts from any party.
Do you really think it is right that we should be penalised by having the triple-lock to our pensions being taken away?
I don't want to be greedy but I've worked and saved all my life and now I'm being penalised for not being rich. If I was, I could look forward to multiple handouts from any party.
While we are all involved in the belt tightening exercise, that lock was for long term protection for those who have already contributed their share to society and should be ensured support at least equivalent to the rest of that society. Given the number of members tearing up their card of late, and past contributers saying they are no longer interested in a party with whom the economy is not in safe hands, I can see no reason why pensioners wouldn't join the protest and vote for other parties. It seems to me that the party must be tired of governing and looking to upset as many as possible while trying to fix issues. And it seems they aren't even trying that hard to fix stuff the public is 'up in arms' about anyway, they just pay lip service to the concerns. Gawd 'elp us but there is no grouping that seems but capable of progressing the nation, and in a likely position to win a majority. At best (?!?!?!?!?) we may end up with a multiparty coalition, and if that's the best on offer then we're all doomed, doomed I tell you.
On the face of it, increasing pensions by the current rate of inflation seems wrong, however, I heard on the radio this morning it would 'only' cost £5bn a year, granted a huge number in of itself, but in the scheme of things, not so much, and therefore politically, it seems a bit of an own goal not to do so.
And they'll add this latest fiasco to their list of long memories.
On the face of it the triple lock seems generous as it implies pensions slowly rising on real terms over the years. But this just counteracts the issue of UK state pensions looking pretty basic up against many other nations with decent economies. The UK still has a way to go.
On the face of it the triple lock seems generous as it implies pensions slowly rising on real terms over the years. But this just counteracts the issue of UK state pensions looking pretty basic up against many other nations with decent economies. The UK still has a way to go.
