More Big Brother Or "Nothing To Hide Nothing To Fear"?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/sadiq-khan-issued-with-legal-challenge-after-terrifying-number-plate-camera-decision-12664374
I am interested in what our learned ABers think, I am on the fence for the moment.

[FatticusInch]

All for it.
Someone is getting a bit Rita Hayworth though by describing it as ‘terrifying’.
I’d rather be ‘terrified’ than subject to terrorism.
If you’re not up to no good and are strictly legal you’ve got nothing to fear, have you?

[Old_Geezer]

Government monitoring is an affront to western values and way of life. A citizen has a basic right not to have authorities spy on them. I can understand the need to avoid things like terrorism but in that case let the authorities check individual suspects not have blanket style surveillance there that the Stasi would have been proud of. Society is already moving towards citizen control as it is.

[ladybirder]

Has Fatti's answer helped you to make your mind up TTT? The opposite LOL;-)

[Old_Geezer]

It takes someone with little imagination to think decent citizens have nothing to fear from authorities. Have a word with North Koreans, or the Chinese, or even Russians. Probably various South American and African nations too, I'd suspect.

[FatticusInch]

It’s London, there’s pretty much a camera on every street corner and a security camera on, in or near the entrance to pretty much every building.
How much privacy do you expect whilst using the roads in one of the busiest cities in the world or large conurbation?

[Togo]

Good decisionto challenge the invidious proliferation of these systems by the Open Rights Group. Do you think that "possible" terrorists are more of a threat to your freedoms, or a definite, authoritarian, manipulative, body of officials that want to control every aspect of your life?

[FatticusInch]

Story yet to register on the BBC.
As I suspect, someone has used the word terrifying a little too dramatically as it is after all aimed mostly at road users.
If you think your civil liberties are being curtailed, best you don’t ever use a mobile phone during normal daily life.

[Ken4155]

If it helps nab more scrotes, then it's all for the good. In the honest opinion of someone who doesn't drive, of course.

[Togo]

The odious little creep Khan, and others like him, doesn't have access to my mobile phone data and movements.

[tomus42]

Although I don't particularly like it, I think it's an inevitable part of modern life. Your personal details and movements are already stored in numerous databases. You're on the Internet and you have a phone, so you're already being monitored.

I don't worry about it because knowledge of my movements could only ever be used to prove that it WASN'T me that did the crime.

All data can be misused, but that is nothing new.

[Ken4155]

If there is someone monitoring my movements, they'd have died of boredom long ago.

[Peter Pedant]

and I can see no reference to the Info COmmissioners office and data protection
which is odd ( like the dog that didnt bark in the night)

[Hopkirk]

Just wait until they try to bring in road pricing.

[Peter Pedant]

Hmm I dont see any ICO still
Previous data I thought not - not collected with that in mind
Current data - cd be - - to prevent crime
BUT has to be proportionate
so live streaming I wonder about

if it access to data banks fir specific questions
I would have thought deffo yes ( lawful)

Problem with freedom of speech and privacy
is that some terrorists were spotted exactly by that ( cameras on the M6) and so was Couzens - passing cars and buses

[FatticusInch]

Togo
//The odious little creep Khan, and others like him, doesn't have access to my mobile phone data and movements.//

He doesn’t need them, GCHQ already have those at the press of a button.

[aelmpvw]

they can film me 24/7, they won't find anything of interest

[Ellipsis]

"Nothing To Hide Nothing To Fear" sums it up nicely.

> Ms Berry is more specific. She says the additional access creates the prospect of a privacy campaigner's worst nightmare: a database filled with deeply personal data which can be searched by police whenever they want.
> "We do know that there have been police disciplined and expelled for stalking their ex-partners using data that the police hold," she says.
> "When there aren't proper internal controls, it really increases the risk of that kind of harm."

i.e. "If we give the police powers to solve/prevent crime, individual police officers may abuse those powers for their own nefarious and illegal purposes." Is this an argument against giving the police powers, or an argument for making sure that the powers are properly controlled? Because, obviously, we want the latter and don't want to scaremonger with the idea of the former ...

[naomi24]

London is full of cameras so my car registration is caught on camera every time I drive there. It's on view to anyone who wants to make a note of it so I don't regard that as 'deeply personal data' in those circumstances.

[Peter Pedant]

// they'd have died of boredom long ago.//

when I was ill I agreed to look at defence disclosed videos of surveillance as something to do and fill the time.

It was as you say incredz boring. At2h 55 - X parks at kenton services. At 2h 56 he walks into fish shop, 2h 57 walks out with fish and chips.

[aelmpvw]

it wasn't me