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Why Are We Bothered If Russia Invades Ukraine?

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dave50 | 08:43 Tue 25th Jan 2022 | News
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How will it affect us in the UK and what can we possibly do about it?

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//18 Dec 2021 — Britain and its allies are "highly unlikely" to send troops to defend Ukraine if Russia invades the country, the UK's defence secretary has said ...//
dave - you arent so old that you were advising Chamberlain in 1938 werew you
Britain should stay well out of it.Both the first world war and the second world war didnt really need to have British involvement.We got involved,millions of us Brits died,for no reason.We are safe enough on our little island.
it's not 1938 PP - just saying.
But ynnafymni if russa for example invaded us would you say its right for other countrys to leave them to it ' nothing to do with us guv'
If Russia invaded the UK I wouldn't expect Ukrainian troops to come to our aid!

Russia has "issues" with Ukraine (they did effectively own the place for decades!). Pipelines/many ethnic Russians in parts of Ukraine/access to Black Sea ports.
ynnafymmi: "Both the first world war and the second world war didnt really need to have British involvement." - now I thought I'd heard all the crass statements but that's a world beater. I don't know where to start......
We should be bothered whenever an oppressive power block aggressively tries to expand by violating the rights of other nations.

The question posed in the thread title is akin to asking why we should be bothered if someone we know the other side of town is murdered. Doesn't affect us.
...just one example, the Battle of Britain was Hitler's attempt to clear the air force as a prelude to land invasion.........should we just have ignored that? right oh! gawd elp us!
//ynnafymmi: "Both the first world war and the second world war didnt really need to have British involvement." - now I thought I'd heard all the crass statements but that's a world beater. I don't know where to start......//

I have read commentary that WW1 would have been a much smaller & more localised affair if Britain hadn't got involved. WW2 was a different kettle of fish but resulting in part from the effects of WW1.
I don't know too much beyond hoping there isn't a war. And if there is, we should stay well out of it.
Also, the EU/US have been fomenting trouble for a long time which is usually a prelude to war for the US. Luckily, they're only mad and greedy enough for a proxy war. They'll supply the weapons.
"Both the first world war and the second world war didnt really need to have British involvement.We got involved,millions of us Brits died,for no reason.We are safe enough on our little island. "


Are you serious?


ich, I wondered that!
Gas prices would go up even more is one reason.
What can we do:
Hope the deterrent effect of threats and sanctions has an effect, but mainly I think the fairly obvious deterrent, and much much greater deterrent of the cost to Russia in terms of economic and human loss and the fsact that any wat would be very very unpopular at home.

Other than that, copied from other posts:

The whole situation is somewhat bizarre.
We hear from the government that Russia has a proxy lined up to take over in Ukraine, namely Yevhen Murayev.
I am not sure under what sort of delusion Putin thinks that he could instal any sort of a puppet ruler in Ukraine. They tried that in 2004 and it led to the Orange revolution then, one which, unlike in 2014, Ukraine was not really ready. It simply would not work now, even less.
Similarly, 117,000 troops sounds a lot, but it is nowhere near enough to mount a serious invasion of a country the size of Ukraine with its own sizeable and very well trained, and prepared, armed forces. Added to the fact that such an obvious act of aggression would be massively unpopular with Russians, even before the thousands of body bags started returning.

The most likely or predictable move would simple be a further incursion into E Ukraine (with no withdrawal) on the same principle used in Georgia and arguably also Moldova : namely a destabilised and divided country is likely to be admitted to NATO.
And hope the country weakens itself politically in the process.
The revelation from the US about the possible false flag operation suggests they are or were planning to move there.
After all the denials they’d need something for their propaganda outlets to seize on.
It’s interesting that the US and UK seem determined to make public their intelligence. That could be quite an effective preemptive tactic
//Firstly because Johnson cant be trusted not to take us to war to detract from his problems//

What rubbish!! I agree with Danny. I have read the reply by the way.
' is likely to be admitted to NATO'.
Did you mean 'unlikely' ickeria?
"Unlikely!" yes of course sorry

I corrected it in the original but forgot to repeat it

ymb//Firstly because Johnson cant be trusted not to take us to war to detract from his problems//
Getting us involved in an armed conflict would not get Boris out of any troubles, more likely would just add to them.
What does it matter if an appalling regime slaughters people in another sovereign nation? Let me think...
The UK has sent anti-tank weapons and personnel to train the Ukrainian military in their use.

Militarily that is likely to be the sum of it as far as Ukraine itself goes.
It is extraordinary how we all love to navel-gaze our oen affairs at times like this.
But that surely is half of the attraction of all this to someone like Putin: it sows doubt and confusion ("what's he up to?" etc) and gets people talking about him, but one this he don't like is to be ignored.
And hence in response a reason in part for the West's intel revelations: an attempt to cut through the smoke and mirrors.

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