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Anti-Vaxxers Hogging Hospital Beds To The Detriment Of Other Patients.

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Canary42 | 06:54 Fri 31st Dec 2021 | News
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This example is from across the pond but I would be surprised if it isn't happening over here.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/man-dies-family-cant-hospital-172731946.html

The anti-vaxxers refuse the vaccine, but not the treatment when the inevitable consequences arise - hypocrisy rules OK.

IMHO they should be barred from hospitals.

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They must have done a survey of the local hospitals.
No doubt we're in for a spate of similar stories.
Like the Covidiot stories that people yukked up on here.
And all the stories in the US about the beds being jammed by Ivermectin overdosers (totally debunked but nevertheless served up on the aBBC 2 weeks later)
You could say the same about smokers, drinkers and those that don't wear masks etc etc. Only those that have rigidly obeyed the rules should be in hospital. That would pretty well empty every bed!
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You could say the same about smokers, drinkers and those that don't wear masks etc etc. Only those that have rigidly obeyed the rules should be in hospital. That would pretty well empty every bed!

Smoking and drinking is a choice

Catching Covid is not and requiring hospitalisation can be massively reduced by having a vaccine

Provided they stand by their convictions and do not attempt to access treatment via the nhs I have no problem

Let natural selection take its course
The Devil take the hindmost
no vaccine.. no hospital why should the more responsible suffer because of stupidity ignorant balshy attitudes... beds are required for a myriad of people who choose to consider not only themselves but others....
That's a tad harsh Canary.
Surely some beds could be set up in the underground car parks for the anti vax mob.
Somewhere that the medical experts could possible forget they are?
//Smoking and drinking is a choice//

Having the vaccine or not is also a choice.

Treatment for avoidable illnesses is a difficult ethical question & I guess the NHS & NHS Trusts have people who decide these questions.
Having the vaccine or not is also a choice.

Treatment for avoidable illnesses is a difficult ethical question & I guess the NHS & NHS Trusts have people who decide these questions.

It is a choice
But as I said the ought to choose against asking for medical help if they feel so strongly
Be nice if the doctors and nurses had a choice too

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/doctors-and-nurses-vent-anger-as-unvaccinated-covid-cases-delay-vital-operations-z3zchvv9l

Ban car crash victims who weren't wearing a seat belt. That should free up a few more beds.
In fact stop treating any accident victims, they should be more careful.
now now hoppy you know that is silly.. baaad boy lol.... xx

I have heard for myself patients being told by surgeon/consultant that "until you stop smoking /drinking and lose several stone ..then I am not prepared to treat you " this was to a hugely overweight lady in Acute admissions..at the time she was surrounded by family all of a similar size clutching Mcdonald take aways and large bottles of fizz... she too was munching on a family size bag of crisps !!!
People do not choose to have car crashes Hopkirk

If you do not want the vaccine tailor your lifestyle and movements accordingly and do not ask the nhs to bail you out afterwards
I do'nt agree canary. First because we can't distinguish between antivaxxers and those who either can't have it or where the doctor accepts there's a risk not worth taking ...just as we first thought with pregnant mums or teenagers.
But more importantly are NHS should treat everyone who needs urgent care and not have secondclass citizen's.
Its frustrating to hear the nonsense some antivaxxer's spread but all we can do is nudge them and let them decide in there own time when they see unvaxxed friends getting ill or dying.
So a 40 year old antivaxxer with Omicron who has a good chance of recovery with appropriate treatment should be turned away in order to treat an 80 year old smoker with lung disease who will probably spend the remaining 2 or 3 years of his life attached to an oxygen bottle?
Am not aware we'er turning away any seriously ill patients with covid or anything else...the beds are there.. and we seem to be along way from that stage.
Everyone should get the vaccine and I condemn people who think otherwise.
Nevertheless I’m alarmed by the number of people who think the unvaccinated should not be hospitalised. Shame on you all. It is in any case possible if a lot less likely that you could be unlucky and end up in hospital even if fully jabbed.
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So a 40 year old antivaxxer with Omicron who has a good chance of recovery with appropriate treatment should be turned away

But if you are an anti vaxxer you should not be seeking treatment anyway should you ?
If your beliefs are so strong your courage and conviction should see you through should it not ?
You shunned the offer of treatment to avoid getting dangerously ill so you should stick with that choice no ?
Of course the unvaccinated must be treated if necessary. Everyone must be free to choose. There’s a whole lot of scaremongering going on.
ichkeria
Everyone should get the vaccine and I condemn people who think otherwise.
Nevertheless I’m alarmed by the number of people who think the unvaccinated should not be hospitalised. Shame on you all. It is in any case possible if a lot less likely that you could be unlucky and end up in hospital even if fully jabbed.

Indeed you could but at least you heeded sound medical advice and doctors imploring you to get vaccinated
It has already been shown that medical staff are succumbing to compassion fatigue because of anti vaxxers

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/18/doctors-caring-unvaccinated-covid-patients

Anti vaxxers have a baseless argument and are preventing treatment for others due to their idiocy

//You shunned the offer of treatment to avoid getting dangerously ill so you should stick with that choice no ?//

Should everyone who makes a mistake be made to suffer the full consequences of their error?
What I am not happy with is the number of people who have booked to have the jab in a local pharmacy near us and then fail to turn up for them and they have to be ditched. The pharmacy think it may be anti-vaxxers who are booking them just to see them wasted. Not on if it is.
They'll be more fatigued when the NHS workers vaccine mandate kicks in & 60,000 leave.

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