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Covid Passports
Keir Starmer came close to declaring a policy position this morning, saying that while he won’t come out against Covid passports at this stage, their potential rollout would be against the “British instinct”.
Is he correct, would a passport system be a good idea ?
Is he correct, would a passport system be a good idea ?
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I believe so- I no longer work for them, but many of my friends, and daughter do. They had no intention of forcing anyone into having a vaccination, but are a big home, and one of a large branch. So they got solicitors immediately, just to check the position.
They were told (a few months ago), that currently, people cannot lose jobs or shifts depending on vaccine status, as it was "discrimination". The laws haven't yet changed. They might... but just now, it isn't legal to treat someone any differently depending on whether they are vaccinated or not.
They were told (a few months ago), that currently, people cannot lose jobs or shifts depending on vaccine status, as it was "discrimination". The laws haven't yet changed. They might... but just now, it isn't legal to treat someone any differently depending on whether they are vaccinated or not.
// I really really really REALLY wish that when this is discussed a difference could be made between a global system and an internal English system. //
mushroom"interesting turn of phrase, which raises the question. will the english system be accepted in scotland? or wales?"
that was what i was implying. We can't say "Oh the Uk will do this or that"
mushroom"interesting turn of phrase, which raises the question. will the english system be accepted in scotland? or wales?"
that was what i was implying. We can't say "Oh the Uk will do this or that"
I really, really disagree with this internal passport idea. I never thought I'd agree with Keir S. It is un-British and is unnecessary. If you are vaccinated - what do you have to fear from an unvaccinated person? You are not going to die - at the worst you'll become ill for a while.
Shortly after flying back from Bangkok a few years ago I developed shingles (most painful and unpleasant) and the timing meant that I had caught it on the aeroplane from someone who had, or was incubating, chickenpox. So what? I was unlucky and I got vaccinated as soon as I reached 70. It's a chance you take. I often got chest infections after flying.
We can't control what other countries demand for entry, but an internal 'passport' is an absolute no. The societal damage would be appalling, just when we are trying to achieve a sort of unity.
Shortly after flying back from Bangkok a few years ago I developed shingles (most painful and unpleasant) and the timing meant that I had caught it on the aeroplane from someone who had, or was incubating, chickenpox. So what? I was unlucky and I got vaccinated as soon as I reached 70. It's a chance you take. I often got chest infections after flying.
We can't control what other countries demand for entry, but an internal 'passport' is an absolute no. The societal damage would be appalling, just when we are trying to achieve a sort of unity.
J. You cannot get shingles from someone who has shingles. You can get chickenpox from someone who has shingles if you have never had chickenpox or never received the chickenpox vaccine.
Having vaccines is a no-brainer, and so is not having the documentation that you have done so, that is unless you, for whatever reason, don't want to be vaccinated, that is in a sense your decision, but you cannot then expect to have the freedom of travel with the potential of putting others at risk.
Bolu cks to 'British instincts'
Having vaccines is a no-brainer, and so is not having the documentation that you have done so, that is unless you, for whatever reason, don't want to be vaccinated, that is in a sense your decision, but you cannot then expect to have the freedom of travel with the potential of putting others at risk.
Bolu cks to 'British instincts'
Once again, we need to draw this back to the difference between certification to travel abroad and the same thing required to undertake certain activities in this country. What other countries require we cannot control. What is required here we can.
I simply don't understand the necessity to produce proof of immunity (POI) to anybody in the UK. The way people can protect themselves is by being vaccinated. Once they've done that, that's as much as they can do. I've never had mumps. I've a feeling I may be immune to it because my sister had it when I was young and I didn't catch it. But I cannot be sure. I've also not had the MMR vaccine (it wasn't available when I was young). But I'm not expected to prove my immunity to mumps every time I want to go to a pub or a restaurant.
I similarly cannot understand why pubs and restaurants are being singled out for this requirement. I have been travelling on buses and trains and visiting supermarkets for the whole of the last year. My visits to pubs have been necessarily curtailed. But when I did visit them (the last time was 12th December) I felt far safer sitting at a table in a pub with Mrs NJ that I ever did on a bus or, particularly, in a supermarket. Yet if this proposal goes ahead I will need proof of immunity to have a pint. The danger, of course, is that once the trial is over it will announced as a resounding success and its scope will be widened to include shops, public transport, offices and just about anywhere else. This country is in grave danger of slipping into an authoritarian state where citizens cannot move about without government permission and certification because once infringements such as this are introduced as "temporary" measures, they have a habit of becoming permanent. Especially when the government has the complicity of a seemingly paranoid section of the population which expects to be protected from everything forever.
Vaccinated people who want to get out and about should simply do so. If they don't there was little point in them having the vaccine. They might just as well stay indoors because they cannot expect the rest of us to travel about with "papers" to prove we are free of plague-like diseases.
I simply don't understand the necessity to produce proof of immunity (POI) to anybody in the UK. The way people can protect themselves is by being vaccinated. Once they've done that, that's as much as they can do. I've never had mumps. I've a feeling I may be immune to it because my sister had it when I was young and I didn't catch it. But I cannot be sure. I've also not had the MMR vaccine (it wasn't available when I was young). But I'm not expected to prove my immunity to mumps every time I want to go to a pub or a restaurant.
I similarly cannot understand why pubs and restaurants are being singled out for this requirement. I have been travelling on buses and trains and visiting supermarkets for the whole of the last year. My visits to pubs have been necessarily curtailed. But when I did visit them (the last time was 12th December) I felt far safer sitting at a table in a pub with Mrs NJ that I ever did on a bus or, particularly, in a supermarket. Yet if this proposal goes ahead I will need proof of immunity to have a pint. The danger, of course, is that once the trial is over it will announced as a resounding success and its scope will be widened to include shops, public transport, offices and just about anywhere else. This country is in grave danger of slipping into an authoritarian state where citizens cannot move about without government permission and certification because once infringements such as this are introduced as "temporary" measures, they have a habit of becoming permanent. Especially when the government has the complicity of a seemingly paranoid section of the population which expects to be protected from everything forever.
Vaccinated people who want to get out and about should simply do so. If they don't there was little point in them having the vaccine. They might just as well stay indoors because they cannot expect the rest of us to travel about with "papers" to prove we are free of plague-like diseases.
Yes NJ I agree with everything you say above. This government have now realised they can control us without debate, very dangerous.
It was said, vaccination is our way to freedom, no its not.
It was said that the easing of this lock down would be irreversible, no it won't.
The only thing this government at present will achieve is mass rioting if their not very careful. I get the feeling that people have had enough of this controlling, especially the ones that have had their vaccination with the promise of freedom. We are sitting on a time bomb at the moment, and as you say once these rules are in place they will remain.
There is no way I will be controlled in this way by any government, not at my age, I've broken all travel rules within the uk over the last three days, I only came back last night to avoid the masses on the road, I've not be stopped or asked about my travel, and yes I took a chance, and I will continue to do so. Boris, go to hell. :0)
It was said, vaccination is our way to freedom, no its not.
It was said that the easing of this lock down would be irreversible, no it won't.
The only thing this government at present will achieve is mass rioting if their not very careful. I get the feeling that people have had enough of this controlling, especially the ones that have had their vaccination with the promise of freedom. We are sitting on a time bomb at the moment, and as you say once these rules are in place they will remain.
There is no way I will be controlled in this way by any government, not at my age, I've broken all travel rules within the uk over the last three days, I only came back last night to avoid the masses on the road, I've not be stopped or asked about my travel, and yes I took a chance, and I will continue to do so. Boris, go to hell. :0)
on a point of fact, its IMPOSSIBLE to provide a proof of immunity. You can prove that you have had one, or two, vaccinations. You can prove you have recently tested clear. You might even be able to prove that you have had covid. You might even even be able to prove that all three apply to you...but you can't prove you are immune.
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