No Jab No Job?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55654229
Will this be the norm going forward?

[Peter Pedant]

no because we READ the article we have cited and find

Employment lawyers said the plan carried risks for the business.

oh sozza you mean is this become the norm for TTT to cast his net widely, make something up, put in a bit of rhyming slang and mis-spell human rights?
it always was ma'am

more seriously hahahaha o god I cant believe what I write sometimes, it will be the firing for not having vacca, rather than the rehiring, which will cause the trouble
it wont be reasonable to fire people for not having it

[Stickybottle]

Just wait a few months for one of the variants to cause further and even greater problems and it will start to become the norm I feel.

What will happen when people start to look nervously around on a plane when someone starts coughing and sweating and looking feverish? General paranoia and fear at football stadiums and music venues will no doubt bring about a change in the future.
I would look at Australia and New Zealand and see what their plans will be because they seem to lead the way and have mostly dealt with it all in a proper fashion and do not muck about over sensibilities when it comes to this sort of thing

[Mamyalynne]

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/ChatterBank/Question1739839.html

[ToraToraTora]

this is about new hires, not existing employees.

[Mamyalynne]

As I said on the linked thread Government was approached to clarify the legal implications of this sort of move - not sure what the upshot of that approach was.

[jno]

old story, that. For what it's worth, here's today's follow-up.

https://inews.co.uk/news/business/lockdown-exit-strategy-charlie-mullins-no-jab-no-job-policy-pimlico-plumbers-873787

[Stickybottle]

Whatever his intentions I think it is win win for him because his new staff get vaccinated and his customers will get peace of mind so he is a caring employer with a good business strategy and so his business will profit I reckon

[archibaldy]

As long as employers can reasonably argue that 'all else is equal' when selecting from a group which candidate to hire, or which current employee to make redundant when cuts are demonstrably required then they are on pretty safe ground. Firing because of no jab is a different animal within - current - employment laws and would depend on the strength of the argument for making it mandatory, and the employees reasons for not having one.

[sanmac]

"Normal" as in pre-covid times will never, ever return.

[piggynose]

So no cab no bob me old china?

[MWG14]

Stickybottle, compare the populations of Australia & New Zealand with ours.

[riptide]

There should be no excuse for people not getting jabs, unless for medical reasons. I think Employers have every right to insist that employees have had their inoculations, if not, no job.

[emmie]

what happens in care homes where some of the staff haven't been vaccinated according to BBC news the other day, they are short staffed as it is many of these places, if you get rid of those who won't have the vaccine, who will replace them..

[Stickybottle]

MWG14
Stickybottle, compare the populations of Australia & New Zealand with ours

Population size is not a factor in this story it is about how governments and employers will form their strategy and I’ll bet the Aussies and Kiwis get it right and will not pander to sensibilities they will just do what is right and proper and needed

[Stickybottle]

emmie
what happens in care homes where some of the staff haven't been vaccinated according to BBC news the other day, they are short staffed as it is many of these places, if you get rid of those who won't have the vaccine, who will replace them

Plenty who have been furloughed and made redundant will be more than happy to replace them and I would advise that if anyone wants to take steps to keeping their job or looking for one in the future that they get the vaccine when offered

[douglas9401]

Aye, there's a lot to be said for straightforward and blunt.
It saves a lot of time for one thing.

[emmie]

no one can be made to have the vaccine...

[mushroom25]

// I would look at Australia and New Zealand and see what their plans will be because they seem to lead the way //

they have indeed got the virus under control in their countries. but their borders have effectively become sealed, and will remain so for the forseeable. the second they reopen them, the virus will flood back in, for even the vaccinated can carry the virus, can be infectious and will infect. perhaps the crucifixion of their tourist industry, and the holding of their citizens in effective house arrest are the acceptable price of control.....

[ToraToraTora]

stickybottle: "Population size is not a factor in this story it is about how governments and employers will form their strategy and I’ll bet the Aussies and Kiwis get it right and will not pander to sensibilities they will just do what is right and proper and needed " - Rubbish, ridiculous thing to say.

[ToraToraTora]

emmie: "no one can be made to have the vaccine..." - yes but society does not have to entertain them beyond that.