Should We Be Doing The Same

[tiggerblue10]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55292614

...or just carry on with the tier thing?

[emmie]

we have a lot of visitors to the capital, perhaps many don;t read the papers, understand the severity of the virus. Those who have large families for example in the Asian communities, it must be impossible to socially distance. There are so many variables, one can;t police it, Boris can only make a judgement call on the info given to him at any one time.

[emmie]

as to million more dead?

[ummmm]

We have a massive family and a massive circle of friends. When you only know a life of being surrounded by people this lock down has a big impact.

Arrest everyone who has a party, fine them, whatever, but have some sympathy for people who have never been on their own before and just want to see their family.

[emmie]

i want to see my family too. I have every sympathy for those wishing to see theirs. The police can do almost nothing, its not policeable, if people want to throw caution to the wind that is their look out im afraid.

[ummmm]

It is being policed though. They're checking on weddings and funerals.

Someone was fined 10k for having a party. That's policing it.

[calmck]

I don't understand the pictures of shoppers without masks. Portugal you cannot enter a shop without a mask and numbers allowed in are limited. We have just had two four day weekends not being allowed out of our council areas without proof of necessity. Businesses asked not to open and most did not. Restaurants open after 1pm for take out only. The police were out in force at council borders. Very polite, let those with proof continue. Those without sent home. Dec 23 to 26 families can mix in homes, up to six for restaurants. No travel after 2am each day. No New Year party or dining out at the moment. Even the kids make sure they have masks for shopping. Maybe because we are dependent on tourists and want things back to normal we are obeying the mask rule or maybe the country was once a dictatorship and obedience is built in

[Prudie]

About 1.6 million have died from the virus worldwide in total this year - I must have missed that's going up by another million in 3 weeks.

[emmie]

but it can't be policed, if ten people get together in a household rather than six that has been advised who is to know. Some like Piers Corbyn have been fined, he hasn't paid the 10,000 pounds yet.

[emmie]

i only know from our local stores, many of the staff themselves are not wearing masks, and some of those customers weren't wearing them either, though the majority seem to be sticking to wearing one, does it give adequate protection?

[emmie]

i wear one when i go out, but there are others who don't. And what do you do if you go for a coffee with a friend, you have to take it off.

[ummmm]

It can be policed if your nosey neighbours grass you up...

[emmie]

nosy neighbours yes there is that, but i guess if you are friendly neighbours its hardly likely you would to be fair.

[emmie]

would you grass up the neighbours if you are friends ?

[douglas9401]

It matters not a jot.
Until enough people are vaccinated it'll be more of the same.

[emmie]

and likely it will douglas. The virus has come out of nowhere and has had a devastating effect on many families and will likely do so for a long time to come.

[youngmafbog]

Snitches get stiches, or at least their windows put through when people find out who grassed. And they will.

[emmie]

i doubt those who are friendly with theirs will grass them up somehow.

[iluvmargie]

14:10 I know it won't make a difference, I was just stating what I think might happen.

[emmie]

each has to make up his or her mind what is right for them. If you made it a law, many might still break it, its in the nature of people not to always follow the rules.

[Sunk]

Let’s compare:

Germany: 20,200 new cases. 321 new deaths.
UK: 21,500 new cases. 616 new deaths.

Germany are going full lockdown and the UK with double new deaths is relaxing lockdown for Christmas.


It doesn’t help that the Tier system is not fit for purpose

My area = Cases in the last week 104
Havering = Cases in last week 983

I am in tier 3, and the London borough is in tier 2.