Will Labour Ever Learn?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1305281/Labour-Party-Anneliese-Dodds-Keir-Starmer-Sophy-Ridge-Sky-News-latest

[Atheist]

Anyone care to respond to what Gromit said? Or do you think that yah-booh insults are enough?

[Gromit]

Make the wealthy pay their fair share and they will leave the country and we get no tax. Except they never do. Ever.

[Gromit]

When Blair miraculously got Labour elected in 1997, 2 of his policies were
- No tax rises.
- Create 250,000 jobs from a windfall tax on the privatised utilities.

Perhaps TTT is worried that Starmer and Labour HAVE learned something.

[Old_Geezer]

Poor idea. Those who buy assets, rather than services or frittering away income on frivolities, ought not be targeted for being sensible. Income indicates how one has benefited from being part of society and it alone should be the main indicator of what one should pay in to support that society.

[ToraToraTora]

gromit: "The millions of Brits doing the hard work of actually making and producing things should be taxed as little as possible.
And the Fat Cats, speculators, hedge fund managers, bankers and share dealers who nothing but bet with other peoples money, to make large profits, should be taxed more. " - ...and that is the current policy and what actually happens.

[Gromit]

TTT
// that is the current policy and what actually happens. //
That is not the current Policy. Tax Avoidance by the very rich is rife, which is why the rest of us are paying more.

AstraZeneca, the pharmaceuticals titan which made £1.7billion profit in 2018 paid no Corporation Tax that year.

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mush: "well I guess it's not the fault of the labour party that the UK electorate is too stupid to realise which way it should be voting, eh? " - sorry if I missed a joke here, you wanted Corbyn in no 10??

[ToraToraTora]

"AstraZeneca, the pharmaceuticals titan which made £1.7billion profit in 2018 paid no Corporation Tax that year. " - how many people did they employ? How much tax did they pay?

[mushroom25]

// - sorry if I missed a joke here //

'appen that you did. :-)

[Togo]

//She did say taxes should be more targeted and poor people should not be paying,//

Does anyone know how much "the poor" pay individually in tax?

[Gromit]

Tora,
Taxes aren’t (or shouldn’t ) be optional and transferrable.
You cannot forgive AstraZeneca for not paying Corporation Tax on the strength that its grafting employees paid income Tax. That rather proves my point, rather than counters it.

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personally I'd abolish all direct taxation anyway, it's only there as a sop to the Lefties. It costs a fortune to collect and hurts the poorest the most.

[Gromit]

Tora,
Direct taxation was brought in centuries ago long before there were any lefties. It introduced for the monarchy to raise funds for costly wars.
Indirect taxes such as VAT are even more unfair on the poor.

[TonyV]

A few have left, Branson and Sugar (although he fly's into the UK most days( to name 2

[andy-hughes]

I think Ms Dodds is labouring (sorry!) under the delusion that what she thinks or says about anything whatsoever is going to be considered for a nanosecond by the government , when it comes to working out its future tax policies.

Labour have no clout whatsoever, the Conservatives have a massive majority and will carry through anything they want whether Labour likes it, doesn't like it, or starts Morris Dancing classes in the Committee Rooms.

Labour are of no consequence until the next election, and probably not even then, but in the mean time, Ms. Dodds seeks keen on taxing those with the 'broadest shoulders' - makes me glad I'm not a rugby player, although why they should be singled out for special treatment by this strangely inarticulate lady is a mystery.

Note to Ms Dodds - if you want to be taken seriously as a politician, try smartening yourself up before you go out in public - if you rant like a bag lady, you'll be listened to and taken as seriously as one.

[Gromit]

AH
Labour are not trying to change Government policy. This is their alternative. Presumably in 4 and a half years, this is what they will be asking to the electorate to vote on.
Do you expect them to have no opinion on tax for 5 years ?

[andy-hughes]

Gromit - // Do you expect them to have no opinion on tax for 5 years ? //

Of course they will have opinions, everyone has opinions, they are, as the saying goes, like bottoms, everybody's got one.

But having an opinion and having your opinion change anything, are not the same thing at all.

Ask Mr Corbyn, he had opinions to burn, probably still does, they're a hard habit to break, and look where they didn't get him.