Oh The Irony!

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/the-parents-who-say-their-kids-are-being-indoctrinated-by-uk-schools-11720871
Muslim parents complaining of indoctrination! they'd know!

[Sqad]

Ludwig....you make a very good point.......however, many don't see it as you do and in this particular twos schools, it seems as though NOBODY sees it that way except the headmistress.

[Old_Geezer]

Leaving the classroom wouldn't help. The children would still know that during those five minutes away the others were told one shouldn't be anti-homosexual as tolerance of people different from oneself is a good thing to be. Pointless. Either decide it's too early to be introducing the subject at that age, or that it's not and is necessary.

[retrocop]

//ie that not all families are composed of a white heterosexual man, married to a white heterosexual woman with two white non adopted children called Dick and Jane.//
Ludwig
I believe that Muslim parents are fully aware of that.They can be the ones to make their children know that when they believe the time is right.
Moffat is homosexual and that in itself makes Muslims believe it is more a promotion rather than just awareness.

[Sqad]

O-G of course it wouldn't and one was only suggesting this to equate to what happened in the "old days" to "contentious objectors" ;-)

[dannyk13]

Ludwig //Avatar Image ludwig There's no sex education or indoctrination going on here. //
I think the point is that the children were being taught something that is against their religion.

[Spicerack]

So Dick's cheating on Dora with this Jane girl.
What's the world coming to?

[Spicerack]

They are normalising what many, all Muslims, consider abnormal.

[ludwig]

// They can be the ones to make their children know that when they believe the time is right. //

I wish my parents could have been the ones to make me aware of algebra when they believed the time was right instead my school indoctrinating me with it.

I think the school is just portraying reality and normality, not promoting anything. The married with 2.4 kids setup is no longer the norm. It would actually be negligent of schools to try and hide that fact.

[Sqad]

Spicerack......you have it wrong......;-)

Today it is Dick (pun not intended) is cheating on Jamie with that Gerald boy.............

[Sqad]

"I think the school is just portraying reality and normality, not promoting anything. The married with 2.4 kids setup is no longer the norm. It would actually be negligent of schools to try and hide that fact"

I disagree...the norm (majority) is still the heterosexual couple with 2.4 kids. I cannot support my anecdotal statement as it is difficult to establish.

[ludwig]

// They are normalising what many, all Muslims, consider abnormal. //

Yes, they are.

[dannyk13]

Ludwig, I repeat they are teaching something that is against their religion.

[ludwig]

// I disagree...the norm (majority) is still the heterosexual couple with 2.4 kids. //

If it is, I bet it's not by much.

Consider all the permutations of
single parent families
divorced and remarried with step siblings
never married
adopted, foster kids etc
That's before you even get into any LGBTQWERTY (or whatever it is now) stuff.

[dannyk13]

Ludwig, that is not a response to my posts at 13.42 & 13.58.

[Sqad]

Ludwig...you may well be correct, I have no ideas of the figures and am just going on the experience of life.........as i interpret it.

[naomi24]

I call it BLT.

[ludwig]

// Ludwig, I repeat they are teaching something that is against their religion. //

Yes, obviously, which is why they're all whinging, but as far as I'm concerned, schools should take zero notice of religion when considering what should be included in it's lessons.

[dannyk13]

Ludwig, I cannot believe that you said that.To many people their religion is sacrosanct and should be respected, especially by teachers.

[Spicerack]

There must be compromise eventually, imo.
What that might be is above my pay grade.

[ludwig]

// Ludwig, I cannot believe that you said that. //

Then I'll reiterate it, so you can be sure.

In my opinion, the only place religion should have in state schools is as a subject of study in itself, e.g this is what Judaism is and this is what they believe.

Religious considerations should play no part whatsoever in determining any other teaching content beyond the above.

I obviously exclude religious schools from that because that wouldn't make sense. As I understand it though, the current furore concerns a state school that isn't tied to a particular religion.