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Another Man Arrested Over Jodie Chesney's Murder.

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anotheoldgit | 10:39 Thu 14th Mar 2019 | News
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It has been announced that another man has been arrested over the murder of Jodie Chesney.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6806219/Man-18-person-charged-murder-Jodie-Chesney-17.html

The next day of Jodie's murder it was announced that a 17 year old young man, named Yousef Makki was also murdered, does anyone know if anyone has been arrested over his murder?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/knife-bloodbath-claims-grammar-schoolboy-14083067

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/punishing someone for a crime is designed to stop them repeating the crime - somewhat redundant if they are dead anyway. //

Yep. A sure way to ensure they don't repeat it.
Spath,I don't believe that the return of capital punishment will see a reduction in knife crime but I accept others will.

But the debate around tackling it must be more profound.
naomi - // Yep. A sure way to ensure they don't repeat it. //

Indeed - but at what cost to us as a civilised society?

I fail to see how murdering someone is an appropriate reaction to them having murdered someone else.
ag - // Spath,I don't believe that the return of capital punishment will see a reduction in knife crime but I accept others will.

But the debate around tackling it must be more profound. //

Indeed.

It is an emotive subject, and I understand that the desire for violent retribution is fuelled by emotion, but that is not how a civilised society creates and enacts its laws. It has to be dispassionate, and look for ways to stop murders, not simply react to them with violent responses.
andy-hughes, //but at what cost to us as a civilised society? //

No cost at all. A benefit in that we have a safer society.
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/// Obviously not - but if the notion of Capital Punishment is to deter others, my point is that it patently does not work, ///

How can you possibly know that, yes there will always be mad killers who won't be put off, but there would be many others (I would think) that would shy away from killing, knowing what their punishment would be.
"But the debate around tackling it must be more profound."


I agree but i think the answer is simple. Stop and search, metal detectors in the streets like there was at Nottingham carnival.

So many people say stop and search is against their rights, but that's because they're carrying weapons or drugs. The more someone doesn't want stop and search, surely the more suspicious? So simple.. stop and search them with force. If they find a bag of weed or some cocaine maybe just throw it down the drain and say "we're looking for weapons" but if they find a knife, then arrest them. Give them 5 years.

I think if this policy / principle was known by knife carriers and society, then less people would carry knifes.

If someone is offended for being chosen for stop and search, so what? who cares. Someones life is potentially at risk.

Biggest issue really is police don't have as much power as they need regarding stopping and searching. Maybe for the good but when it comes to knife crime certainly not.
Notting Hill Carnival*
No society has ever been safer because of capital punishment. One need only look at the entire history of the world to see that.
AOG - // How can you possibly know that, yes there will always be mad killers who won't be put off, but there would be many others (I would think) that would shy away from killing, knowing what their punishment would be. //

I disagree, because that implies the use of calm rational thought about actions and consequences in advance of the action of murder.

I would suggest that no-one who murders another is in the business of thinking out their actions in advance, and weighing up the pros and cons of the consequences were they to be caught and convicted.
//No society has ever been safer because of capital punishment. //

An unqualified statement and rather a silly one. Take a serial killer out of action permanently and he kills no more. Not rocket science.
Fine words AH , but, totally meaningless. How many times have we heard of a criminal receiving a life sentence with a minimum of eight years incarceration.

These incidents of knife crime will only get worse.

Killers are not put to death for revenge , they are , or should be, removed from your Utopian civilised society. A society they are not worthy to be a part of.
Naomi - // andy-hughes, //but at what cost to us as a civilised society? //

No cost at all. A benefit in that we have a safer society. //

I would disagree about the cost, and the evidence shows that the notion of a 'safer society' - wonderful though that would be, is simply a fiction.
we could always ship em to Aus like in the good old days.
SparklyKid - // Fine words AH , but, totally meaningless. How many times have we heard of a criminal receiving a life sentence with a minimum of eight years incarceration. //

Since I have not mentioned incarceration, I am not sure which 'fine words' you are finding 'totally meaningless'.
You can achieve the same effect by locking them up. But in either case, the crime has already been committed.

There is simply no justification behind the idea that capital punishment has any impact on crime rates.
The police's role has to combine community engagement alongside 'stop and search' without fear of being pulled up.

Some will see this as a contradictory stance but if we are to reduce or preferably rid the problem communities will see the necessity and benefits.
AH
I would suggest that no-one who murders another is in the business of thinking out their actions in advance, and weighing up the pros and cons of the consequences were they to be caught and convicted.

10:26 Thu 14th Mar 2019


That makes no sense. The young woman was killed in a deliberate attack. These feral knife attackers have no place in our society and should be removed, ie, killed.
Spath - // we could always ship em to Aus like in the good old days. //

Now that is meaningless!
ah, see my post at 10:27.

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