Brexit Aint Gonna Happen.

[10ClarionSt]

You heard it here first. Personally, I couldn't care less if we're in or we're out. Honest, but it seems to me that elected MP's don't want it to happen. That's my interpretation of the vote last week. They want to stay in Europe with Maggie May as the PM. And they voted for HER cos they don't want to risk being voted out of Parliament. Simples. Brexit aint gonna happen.

[hereIam]

Like I've said before, I no longer care, but if it doesn't happen or we have another referendum, I will no longer vote because it would be pointless.

[naomi24]

If business is so busy desperately re-locating to Europe you’d think the EU would be shoving this country out of the door delighting in all the lovely revenue and jobs that will generate. But are they? Are they hell! The EU is terrified of Brexit because there’s nothing in it for them and they know it. That’s why Juncker said ......

“Leave the EU and we will make your lives a misery”.

Does language like that sit well with you, Jim? Anyone? Does that not give you some indication of the cesspit that is the EU? Is that really what you want this country to be controlled by and associated with?

Remainers, in their efforts to thwart democracy in order to fulfil their short-sighted ambition have, I fear, gone too far – so far in fact that they’ve fallen foul of their own hysterical propaganda.

[jim360]

No, it does not sit well with me, if indeed Juncker said it. The EU is bigger than one man, though -- and, of course, being part of something does make a difference and has done in the past, far more so than being out of it.

We've gone over these discussions before, but let me just reiterate that I didn't want any of this in any way, shape, or form. On the other hand, if we do leave with No Deal and it turns out to be a mess, why should the people who warned against this be held more accountable for that mess than the people who enthusiastically encouraged it?

[JF85]

Meanwhile Boris Johnson, that conviction politician who tossed a coin to decide which way to campaign, gets ten grand to make a speech at JCB Central in which he praises JCB, and is paid more for writing deliberately offensive columns in a newspaper than he does for the honour of representing his constituency. Would he have been a remainer if The Telegraph's editorial policy was different?

It's good to know that the playing fields of Eton still contribute to so much misery in this land.

[naomi24]

//On the other hand, if we do leave with No Deal and it turns out to be a mess, why should the people who warned against this be held more accountable for that mess than the people who enthusiastically encouraged it? //

Who said they will be?

[naomi24]

hereIam, I'm beginning to think likewise.

[ludwig]

I said it on here the day after the referendum result. I will believe Brexit is going to happen when it actually happens.

I'm still waiting.

[Canary42]

/// so more a case of pointing out what was already in progress than any attempt to panic. ///

Unlike Project Fear which has shown no signs of coming about ? - you're having a laugh.

[ToraToraTora]

jim can you respond to my post at 11:51

[jim360]

You'd have to accept May at her word that it is either her deal or No Deal. It's also a question of what in particular about the Deal you find unacceptable. If it's the backstop, ie if, under no circumstances, do you want to take out an insurance policy to protect the status of the Irish border in the absence of another solution, then perhaps there is nowhere else to go other than the three choices May keeps offering. If the UK were prepared to concede the principle of the Backstop, but focus on other aspects of the current agreement -- and there are, to be sure, a lot of points that are objectionable -- then they may yet meet with more flexibility from the EU.

It is perhaps a bit much to expect any more of an answer than that above, which is admittedly a bit of a cop-out*, but perhaps I'm arguing for a different approach altogether: namely, that the UK relax its position of exiting the EU "now", and focus on seeking to do it "sensibly". Maybe it still doesn't work, maybe there is nowhere to go if you want out other than to concede that there is no deal that can be reached that satisfies the UK and the EU at the same time. But I don't think that May's deal is the only and definitive test of this.



*Read: a massive cop-out.

[murraymints]

we had a referendum.. the majority voted out... to disregard the vote and just bluster on will lead to a complete anarchy..democracy is the word and to disregard and simply ignore ..well....

[murraymints]

AND.... i continue to say ..OOT OOT OOT !!

[ToraToraTora]

the backstop will never be acceptable. Any future talks will mean the EU simply have to delay until the backstop kicks in. Perpetual entanglement, their "assurances" mean"nothing. If they are prepared to make them they should be prepared to put them in the agreement and let it become binding. The fact that they won't means the "assurances" are the same as chamberlain's "piece of paper", worthless.

[dannyk13]

Come on Minty, don't sit on the fence.:-)

[murraymints]

LOL Danny... I look forward to the leap and the relief on our resources..... same wit the scottish malarkey...OOT OOT OOT !

[murraymints]

How did folk think before we joinrd the EEC



how do folk think we survived pre EEC ? let's go back ..only way as far as I can see...

[retrocop]

Good for you Minty.

[Khandro]

10 clarion; Referring back to your OP: //Brexit Aint Gonna Happen.....
it seems to me that elected MP's don't want it to happen. That's my interpretation of the vote last week.//

Which vote was that? If you mean the vote on T.May's "deal", M.P.s on all sides of the house, and both leavers and remainers voted against it because it was a bad deal, nothing more.

[dannyk13]

The government seem pretty sure that it will happen
https://euexit.campaign.gov.uk/

[ToraToraTora]

doesn't matter about the government danny, 10CS has spoken!