So he is staying here . . .

[sir.prize]

Abu Qatada wins his appeal

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20295754

[DTCwordfan]

The other option is to take him up in a Hercules, its cargo area completely stripped, head out over the Atlantic or Med, and let the back door open up in a steep climb from 15 to 20k feet.

[New Judge]

God jake, how many times do you have to trot out this "...It's a lot easier to keep tabs on someone who might be dangerous to the UK ..." line. By that thinking we'd be far safer if all the world's terrorists were living in the UK (in council houses, with their families and all living on benefits, natch) than if they were elsewhere. Similarly I suppose we've been in far greater peril since Abu Hamza was carted off to the USA a few weeks back.

The best thing to do with terrorists who despise this country and who make threats towards its security is to get them out and keep them out - or better still, to never allow them entry in the first place. To suggest that we are somehow better off keeping them here is ludicrous.

[bazwillrun]

so you think its better to keep him here at our cost then do you ?

[bazwillrun]

my last post was at JTP

[Zacs-Master]

Or even MI6 Jake.
MI5 - Domestic intelligence, MI6 - foreign intelligence.

[FredPuli43]

Can't think the Court of Appeal will have much truck with this. Bet it's reserved to a list with the Lord Chief Justice sitting with a couple of senior bookends and Qatada's long innings will come to an end.

[bazwillrun]

so JTP simple question a or b

a) would you rather see him kept here or
b) shipped out

[jake-the-peg]

Well yes if ou of site is out of mind we don't need an MI6 do we?


I'll trot it out NJ until peoplestart using their brains and ralisig that simply deportig someone doesn't stop them being a threat!

Righto we export all these nasty people Oh look there's a bomb going off in a Britih embassy n the Middle East.


Oh there's a BA flight brought down in the far East!

Whilst they're here their mobile phones canbe tpped and tracked, their electronic comunications can be intercepted ther movements can be followed.


How are you going to do that in Yemen eh?

or is that jut ludicrous?

[jake-the-peg]

Baz if someone' a threat to our national security they're best prosecuted and in Gaol.

If they've not comitted an offense that makes that possible it's much better they are here than wandering free about the world.

And if you can't see that I give up

[bazwillrun]

"Whilst they're here their mobile phones canbe tpped and tracked, their electronic comunications can be intercepted ther movements can be followed. "

theres why you wont ever be working for the intelligence services

do you honestly think he uses a mobile ?,
do you actually think that he doesnt realise hes under 24/7/365 surveillance, electronic comms or otherwise

[douglas9401]

Oh good.

[bazwillrun]

@JTP

so by your logic if he tries to leave the country voluntarily you would stop him from going so we can keep tabs on him here ?!

[DTCwordfan]

For a very large fee, I'll write him "poetry" and read it out aloud. Douglas, given your comments, I'll start on the subject of Highland Coos with him and wear him down, even 10 minutes after I am supposed to have left (lol)........... That will soon have him leave the UK of his own accord, or would this torture be deemed the verbal equivalent of water-boarding?

[DTCwordfan]

(recent comments)

[douglas9401]

To sully Scotia's heilan' coo
By linkin it wi' yon Abu
Is mair than flesh an' blood can bear
I'm tellin ye, it's jist no fair.

[pdq1]

Once again the message goes out to terrorists throughout the world Britain is more concerned for the terrorists safety than the British public. Make your way here and they really look after you. They even pay for your lawyers so you don't have to use your terrorist funds.

[Svejk]

JTP, Nice idea. Already been tried.
Ever heard of Londonistan, that worked out real well,didn't it?

[bazwillrun]

"out of sight out of mind"

just to clarify, i meant that from the standpoint of I dont care how the jordanians supposedly got evidence that they may or may not use against him.

If they do convict him, and I would bet on it, i couldnt care less what they then do with him.

Everything I read leads me to believe that once in jordan that will be the last we see or hear of him for a very very long time.

[bazwillrun]

"In a statement to MPs the Home Secretary described Abu Qatada said the government “strongly disagrees” with the ruling but resisted calls from Tory MPs to put “the interests of National Security first”, fly Qatada to Jordan and “worry about the consequences later”

if only she would , but shes obviously spineless

[New Judge]

"If they've not comitted an offense that makes that possible it's much better they are here than wandering free about the world.

And if you can't see that I give up "

Well you must consider giving up, jake. I can't see that for the simple reason that, as I said earlier, to extend that logic it must be safer for the UK if we accommodate all dangerous terrorists here so that we can "keep an eye on them". Really? I think not.

The idea of deporting Abu Qatada is that he should stand trial and hopefully be convicted and incarcerated in Jordan, where he faces serious charges. A similar situation prevailed with Abu Hamza. The notion that we would be better off keeping such people in comfort here in the UK defies belief.