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One more link (I know would make no difference) for my little birdie. It actually explains the verse of Quran you quoted my boy.
http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/archive/article.p hp?lang=E&id=109361
http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/archive/article.p hp?lang=E&id=109361
Julnar - You are more than welcome. I try my best to give proper information on any subject and then let people decide. Because I believe that you should not call in a doctor when your boiler is broken only because doctor is more educated than a heating engineer. Same way many people always go to anti websites when they are looking or information. Although nothing wrong in that but then you must try to find unbiased direct information too. I always request people who are interested in finding information about Islam, if they could watch SKY channel 820. It is free channel and mostly in English and the main objective is to get rid of misconceptions about Islam on fact based information.
Keyplus90 � Hello. I think it's fair to say that you have blown a gasket. Posting things like, 'But let's have a deal here in front of these all people and finish it once for ever. Shall we meet up some where face to face...' does not do you any favours.
I think most people who have read your twisted posts in the past know that you have a screw loose, but this time you've gone too far.
'Shall we meet up face to face' � Are you threatening me? That's what is sounds like to me.
'I have already disclosed my 100 % true identity on this website with even a photo because I have no hidden agenda.' By this I assume you want to see a photo of me. Why on earth would you want that? Unless you mean me some harm.
I do not agree with your understanding of Islam. I believe that you are fundamentally wrong in your liberal interpretation of the Qur'an. I don't think you truly understand it at all. Or you are wilfully misunderstanding it.
Why do so many non-Muslims around the world think that Muslims are violently intolerant of those who do not share their beliefs?
From the fatwa on Salman Rushdie to the Danish cartoon protests to the threat of thousands of Muslims descending on Parliament because of 'Fitna', Muslims time and time again show themselves to be intolerant, violent bigots.
By flying off the handle at me in such a bizarre way, you have demonstrated exactly how Muslims respond to criticism. Congratulations Keyplus � you are a walking, talking stereotype.
Please take a few minutes to read your last few posts.
Do you know what you sound like?
A ranting, rabid, buffoon.
I think most people who have read your twisted posts in the past know that you have a screw loose, but this time you've gone too far.
'Shall we meet up face to face' � Are you threatening me? That's what is sounds like to me.
'I have already disclosed my 100 % true identity on this website with even a photo because I have no hidden agenda.' By this I assume you want to see a photo of me. Why on earth would you want that? Unless you mean me some harm.
I do not agree with your understanding of Islam. I believe that you are fundamentally wrong in your liberal interpretation of the Qur'an. I don't think you truly understand it at all. Or you are wilfully misunderstanding it.
Why do so many non-Muslims around the world think that Muslims are violently intolerant of those who do not share their beliefs?
From the fatwa on Salman Rushdie to the Danish cartoon protests to the threat of thousands of Muslims descending on Parliament because of 'Fitna', Muslims time and time again show themselves to be intolerant, violent bigots.
By flying off the handle at me in such a bizarre way, you have demonstrated exactly how Muslims respond to criticism. Congratulations Keyplus � you are a walking, talking stereotype.
Please take a few minutes to read your last few posts.
Do you know what you sound like?
A ranting, rabid, buffoon.
Keyplus -
You just get worse and worse don't you? You state and I quote, 'Why don�t you give people the website www.prophet fdoom.net and let people read... '
Why the incorrect web address Keyplus? Was that a typo or was it deliberate?
No matter. As you say, let's let the people read...
http://prophetofdoom.net/
You say, 'I am really fed up with your twisted translations of Quran and Hadith...'. Actually they're not my translations, they are my interpretations. There is a world of difference. But then again, detail is not your strong point is it?
Let's have a look at one of my apparent 'twisted' translations [interpretations].
I quoted Qur'an 4:11 which says, 'Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.... These are settled portions ordained by Allah'
Okay, so put simply, Allah has ordained that it takes two women to be same as one man. Or put another way, a women is only half a man. A women is less than a man. By 50%. Apparently.
It's pretty hard to read that quote and still believe that Allah considers a woman to be equal to a man.
Can explain to me how I am misinterpreting this quote?
You just get worse and worse don't you? You state and I quote, 'Why don�t you give people the website www.prophet fdoom.net and let people read... '
Why the incorrect web address Keyplus? Was that a typo or was it deliberate?
No matter. As you say, let's let the people read...
http://prophetofdoom.net/
You say, 'I am really fed up with your twisted translations of Quran and Hadith...'. Actually they're not my translations, they are my interpretations. There is a world of difference. But then again, detail is not your strong point is it?
Let's have a look at one of my apparent 'twisted' translations [interpretations].
I quoted Qur'an 4:11 which says, 'Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.... These are settled portions ordained by Allah'
Okay, so put simply, Allah has ordained that it takes two women to be same as one man. Or put another way, a women is only half a man. A women is less than a man. By 50%. Apparently.
It's pretty hard to read that quote and still believe that Allah considers a woman to be equal to a man.
Can explain to me how I am misinterpreting this quote?
I've just read you pathetic link Keyplus
http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/archive/article.p hp?lang=E&id=109361
Do you read this and think, 'Yes, this makes sense'?
If you do, you are a fool. And although I know you won't want to hear it, I'll tell you why.
Firstly, you do not win an argument nor justify a position by saying that some people in the past were worse. That's what about 50% of this article does. It says, 'Islam isn't that bad because the Romans/Egyptians/Greek did worse'. So what?
Next they play the 'There's no compulsion in [Islamic] religion' card. This is nonsense. I've blown this argument out of the water before and tomorrow I shall do so again for your delectation.
Finally the piece tries to justify why women should cover their bodies. This is the most pathetic argument I have ever read on this matter � and I've read a few.
Basically, what this says is that a women is less likely to be 'molested' if she's wearing the Islamic Hijaab. The example is two women walking down the street together � one in Hijaab, one in western clothing. Who is most likely to be molested? Well, the western clothed woman of course!
Therefore, wearing Hijaab prevents women from being molested! Hurrahh!
http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/archive/article.p hp?lang=E&id=109361
Do you read this and think, 'Yes, this makes sense'?
If you do, you are a fool. And although I know you won't want to hear it, I'll tell you why.
Firstly, you do not win an argument nor justify a position by saying that some people in the past were worse. That's what about 50% of this article does. It says, 'Islam isn't that bad because the Romans/Egyptians/Greek did worse'. So what?
Next they play the 'There's no compulsion in [Islamic] religion' card. This is nonsense. I've blown this argument out of the water before and tomorrow I shall do so again for your delectation.
Finally the piece tries to justify why women should cover their bodies. This is the most pathetic argument I have ever read on this matter � and I've read a few.
Basically, what this says is that a women is less likely to be 'molested' if she's wearing the Islamic Hijaab. The example is two women walking down the street together � one in Hijaab, one in western clothing. Who is most likely to be molested? Well, the western clothed woman of course!
Therefore, wearing Hijaab prevents women from being molested! Hurrahh!
Keyplus, do you read articles like the one in your link and think it makes sense?
What the article is saying is that all men are molesters/rapists and the way to stop men from molesting/raping women is to have every women cover her body from head to toe.
This is classic blame reversal.
'What's blame reversal'? I hear you cry Keyplus. Well it goes like this...
Initial condition: Two women (victims). One man (perpetrator [or perp for short])
Perp assaults one of the women. He chooses the one in the short skirt, ignoring the one in the Hijaab.
Result: One short skirted woman molested, one Hijaab wearing woman okay. Man escapes.
Who's at fault in this situation?
Well, if we follow the reasoning in your linked article, it's the woman in the short skirt who's at fault. After all, she 'tempted' the innocent man � there he was, just going about his daily business and suddenly he's presented with a woman wearing revealing cloths! Oh the horror! But what should he do? Encourage her to cover up? Call the police?
No � he molests her. Nice guy.
Of course, he has no choice in this seeing as she was clearly 'asking for it'.
So now we have a reversal.
The man is unable to control himself (therefore, diminished responsibility). The woman 'asked for it' by wearing revealing cloths.
Conclusion: the woman is guilty of 'tempting' the man. The man is not responsible for his actions. Therefore the scantily clad woman is at fault.
And you, Keyplus, think that this article supports your argument that women are equal to men?
What the article is saying is that all men are molesters/rapists and the way to stop men from molesting/raping women is to have every women cover her body from head to toe.
This is classic blame reversal.
'What's blame reversal'? I hear you cry Keyplus. Well it goes like this...
Initial condition: Two women (victims). One man (perpetrator [or perp for short])
Perp assaults one of the women. He chooses the one in the short skirt, ignoring the one in the Hijaab.
Result: One short skirted woman molested, one Hijaab wearing woman okay. Man escapes.
Who's at fault in this situation?
Well, if we follow the reasoning in your linked article, it's the woman in the short skirt who's at fault. After all, she 'tempted' the innocent man � there he was, just going about his daily business and suddenly he's presented with a woman wearing revealing cloths! Oh the horror! But what should he do? Encourage her to cover up? Call the police?
No � he molests her. Nice guy.
Of course, he has no choice in this seeing as she was clearly 'asking for it'.
So now we have a reversal.
The man is unable to control himself (therefore, diminished responsibility). The woman 'asked for it' by wearing revealing cloths.
Conclusion: the woman is guilty of 'tempting' the man. The man is not responsible for his actions. Therefore the scantily clad woman is at fault.
And you, Keyplus, think that this article supports your argument that women are equal to men?
Would I be right in thinking tht it is the custom of SA for women to completely cover up - it is also the law in SA for women not to drive - makes sense if you have resticted sightlines - I would make that law over here too.
As a teacher (god forbid) I would refuse to discuss a child with anyone whou could not prove to me they were that childs parent.
As a teacher (god forbid) I would refuse to discuss a child with anyone whou could not prove to me they were that childs parent.
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I went on holidays for few days and little birdie is happy in thinking that he won the war. But my offer is still there. Lets sit and have a debate face to face. Or you do not have confidence apart from long useless posts without full background knowledge like this one��.
I quoted Qur'an 4:11 which says, 'Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.... These are settled portions ordained by Allah'
Okay, so put simply, Allah has ordained that it takes two women to be same as one man. Or put another way, a women is only half a man. A women is less than a man. By 50%. Apparently.
In Islam woman gets half of the inheritance because in Islam men are supposed to take responsibility for looking after the families financially and women look after the kids (so no un-attended yobs without a proper looking after, no junk food, no obesity) to start with. Women�s financial needs are the responsibility of father and brother�s before marriage and then of husband and sons. She does not have to work 9 to 5.
So she gets her share and keeps 100% of that as she is not responsible for paying for any thing. Whereas her brother gets twice as much (inheritance) as he is still responsible to run the family and most of the time that money is spent back into the family affairs.
So Allah has ordained two women equal to one man (only for this purpose) for a reason.
I quoted Qur'an 4:11 which says, 'Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.... These are settled portions ordained by Allah'
Okay, so put simply, Allah has ordained that it takes two women to be same as one man. Or put another way, a women is only half a man. A women is less than a man. By 50%. Apparently.
In Islam woman gets half of the inheritance because in Islam men are supposed to take responsibility for looking after the families financially and women look after the kids (so no un-attended yobs without a proper looking after, no junk food, no obesity) to start with. Women�s financial needs are the responsibility of father and brother�s before marriage and then of husband and sons. She does not have to work 9 to 5.
So she gets her share and keeps 100% of that as she is not responsible for paying for any thing. Whereas her brother gets twice as much (inheritance) as he is still responsible to run the family and most of the time that money is spent back into the family affairs.
So Allah has ordained two women equal to one man (only for this purpose) for a reason.
Keyplus � I hope you had a nice time on holiday.
I'm sorry, but your argument as to why two women have been ordained to be equal to one man is spurious.
Why?
You originally stated, �Finally In Islam Men and women are equal but different...�. No they are not and your statement dated 09/04/2009 at 23:01 demonstrably proves that women are not equal to men.
You say, �in Islam men are supposed to take responsibility for looking after the families financially and women look after the kids...�
Fair enough. However, just because men are 'supposed' to take responsibility does not necessarily mean that they do. Also, the assertion that women 'look after the kids' seems to come straight out of the bigot's handbook � 'That's the wife's job.'
Your quote, �... no junk food, no obesity..� is laughable. Are you claiming that there are no fat Muslim kids? If you are then you are deluding yourself. Again.
Finally, �Women�s financial needs are the responsibility of father and brother�s before marriage and then of husband and sons. She does not have to work 9 to 5.�
So they're equal... but they are the responsibility of their male siblings? What does equality mean to you Keyplus? If I am responsible for the financial well-being of my sister then we are not equal as I can cease paying her at any time and for any reason. When this situation occurs, there is no equality because one person has control over the other. Financial control is a very powerful tool.
You cannot legitimately claim that women are equal to men and in the same breath say that men are responsible for women.
I've said it before Keyplus. You really do not understand your own religion and your grip on logic is tenuous to say the least.
I'm sorry, but your argument as to why two women have been ordained to be equal to one man is spurious.
Why?
You originally stated, �Finally In Islam Men and women are equal but different...�. No they are not and your statement dated 09/04/2009 at 23:01 demonstrably proves that women are not equal to men.
You say, �in Islam men are supposed to take responsibility for looking after the families financially and women look after the kids...�
Fair enough. However, just because men are 'supposed' to take responsibility does not necessarily mean that they do. Also, the assertion that women 'look after the kids' seems to come straight out of the bigot's handbook � 'That's the wife's job.'
Your quote, �... no junk food, no obesity..� is laughable. Are you claiming that there are no fat Muslim kids? If you are then you are deluding yourself. Again.
Finally, �Women�s financial needs are the responsibility of father and brother�s before marriage and then of husband and sons. She does not have to work 9 to 5.�
So they're equal... but they are the responsibility of their male siblings? What does equality mean to you Keyplus? If I am responsible for the financial well-being of my sister then we are not equal as I can cease paying her at any time and for any reason. When this situation occurs, there is no equality because one person has control over the other. Financial control is a very powerful tool.
You cannot legitimately claim that women are equal to men and in the same breath say that men are responsible for women.
I've said it before Keyplus. You really do not understand your own religion and your grip on logic is tenuous to say the least.
