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Yes it is fair.
We live in a modern democratic country where woman and men are equal.
Men should not be able to tell the woman "they own" to cover up to stop other men lusting after them.
We dont want this medieval behaviour here.
If these people want to be accepted into our society then they have to change.
If they dont like it, go and live somewhere else.
When I read the article in the paper I gave a small cheer, and wish more organizations would come down hard on people like this to make them ralise they are not wlecome if they dress like that.
We live in a modern democratic country where woman and men are equal.
Men should not be able to tell the woman "they own" to cover up to stop other men lusting after them.
We dont want this medieval behaviour here.
If these people want to be accepted into our society then they have to change.
If they dont like it, go and live somewhere else.
When I read the article in the paper I gave a small cheer, and wish more organizations would come down hard on people like this to make them ralise they are not wlecome if they dress like that.
As far as wearing a hijab or covering her face is concerned then it is her personal choice that she should be allowed in a democratic country. As far as Islam is concerned then it is not compulsory for a woman to cover her face so again it is her personal choice.
Men should not be able to tell the woman "they own" ......... can only come from someone who does not know a bit about Islam. Or actually I should say the one who knows only what he wants to and how he wants to know about Islam. Otherwise you only need two eyes to see that more and more White European women are entering Islam and of course choosing to wear hijab so there must be a good reason behind that. I do not think any Taliban are forcing them in this country.
Finally In Islam Men and women are equal but different and that is the reason behind few things but people start dictating just by looking at the surface. Otherwise if men and women are equal in all sorts of things then please someone writ to Olympic Authorities that why are they making men and women run in two separate 100 meter race and all the other events. Perhaps men and women can use same toilets in the shopping centres. At-least women would not have to queue when men's toilets are completely empty.
Men should not be able to tell the woman "they own" ......... can only come from someone who does not know a bit about Islam. Or actually I should say the one who knows only what he wants to and how he wants to know about Islam. Otherwise you only need two eyes to see that more and more White European women are entering Islam and of course choosing to wear hijab so there must be a good reason behind that. I do not think any Taliban are forcing them in this country.
Finally In Islam Men and women are equal but different and that is the reason behind few things but people start dictating just by looking at the surface. Otherwise if men and women are equal in all sorts of things then please someone writ to Olympic Authorities that why are they making men and women run in two separate 100 meter race and all the other events. Perhaps men and women can use same toilets in the shopping centres. At-least women would not have to queue when men's toilets are completely empty.
Keyplus90 � Hello again. It's been a while since I've seen you telling lies about Islam.
Qur'an 33:59: 'Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better.'
Bukhari:V3B48N826: 'The Prophet said, 'Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?' The women said, 'Yes.' He said, 'This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind.'
Qur'an 4:11: 'Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.... These are settled portions ordained by Allah.'
Tabari IX:113: 'Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an.'
Your quote: '... in Islam Men and women are equal but different...'
Women are not equal to men in Islam.
Your statement is deliberately false.
Qur'an 33:59: 'Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better.'
Bukhari:V3B48N826: 'The Prophet said, 'Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?' The women said, 'Yes.' He said, 'This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind.'
Qur'an 4:11: 'Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.... These are settled portions ordained by Allah.'
Tabari IX:113: 'Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an.'
Your quote: '... in Islam Men and women are equal but different...'
Women are not equal to men in Islam.
Your statement is deliberately false.
Keyplus - 'Men should not be able to tell the woman "they own" ......... can only come from someone who does not know a bit about Islam'
Seeing as you are a Muslim and you seem to think that women are equal to men in Islam, I can only conclude that it is you who does not understand Islam. Or that you are distorting the truth...
You seem completely oblivious to the many, many shocking, perverse and violent teachings of Islam. I say 'seem' because it is inconceivable to me that you are genuinely unaware of these pronouncements. I think that you chose to ignore them.
Having successfully banished these unpleasant passages from your mind you then go on to paint a very pretty picture of a loving, caring and considerate Islam.
The real truth about Islam is very, very different from the 'truth' you espouse.
Seeing as you are a Muslim and you seem to think that women are equal to men in Islam, I can only conclude that it is you who does not understand Islam. Or that you are distorting the truth...
You seem completely oblivious to the many, many shocking, perverse and violent teachings of Islam. I say 'seem' because it is inconceivable to me that you are genuinely unaware of these pronouncements. I think that you chose to ignore them.
Having successfully banished these unpleasant passages from your mind you then go on to paint a very pretty picture of a loving, caring and considerate Islam.
The real truth about Islam is very, very different from the 'truth' you espouse.
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>As far as wearing a hijab or covering her face is >concerned then it is her personal choice that she
>should be allowed in a democratic country.
Yes but unfortunately some of the low life Muslims who have chosen to live here have deciced that planting bombs on trains and buses full of innocent people is an OK thing to do.
So if a school allowed 10 or so of these women to wander round the school with their faces covered we would have no idea who these people were and if any of them were up to no good.
One of them could even be a man dressed up (as has happened before when a cowardly Muslim tried to escape from the British police).
I for one am getting sick to death of this country being RUINED by the behaviour of some Muslims who live here and the quicker they leave this country the better.
And those that choose to stay better shape up as well, or they can leave also.
>should be allowed in a democratic country.
Yes but unfortunately some of the low life Muslims who have chosen to live here have deciced that planting bombs on trains and buses full of innocent people is an OK thing to do.
So if a school allowed 10 or so of these women to wander round the school with their faces covered we would have no idea who these people were and if any of them were up to no good.
One of them could even be a man dressed up (as has happened before when a cowardly Muslim tried to escape from the British police).
I for one am getting sick to death of this country being RUINED by the behaviour of some Muslims who live here and the quicker they leave this country the better.
And those that choose to stay better shape up as well, or they can leave also.
I had another thought the other day (slightly off topic I know).
When have you ever seen a WOMAN working in a Asian restaurant.
I know they are not all Muslim owners, but I have been in a number of Asian restaurants and NEVER seen a woman working there.
Go to any other restaurant in the UK and at least half the waiters will be women (probably more than half).
But in an Asian restaurant, NONE.
Isnt that a sign of blatant sexism in the Asian restaurant business !!!!
When have you ever seen a WOMAN working in a Asian restaurant.
I know they are not all Muslim owners, but I have been in a number of Asian restaurants and NEVER seen a woman working there.
Go to any other restaurant in the UK and at least half the waiters will be women (probably more than half).
But in an Asian restaurant, NONE.
Isnt that a sign of blatant sexism in the Asian restaurant business !!!!
I think it is sad that Muslim women across the world have adopted a more conservative style of dress over the past thirty years. Look at photographs from the cities of Egypt, Iran, Turkey and even Afghanistan from the 1970's and you will see the majority of women dressed in a more liberated western style of clothing.
My Muslim neighbour never wears veils or the type of clothing that seeks to separate her from her non Muslim neighbours. Apparently, it is not necessary to do so.
It is unfortunate that in the present climate many of us actually care what other people choose to wear, but this growing gap between the different communities in Britain particularly, is a worrying trend for the future.
My Muslim neighbour never wears veils or the type of clothing that seeks to separate her from her non Muslim neighbours. Apparently, it is not necessary to do so.
It is unfortunate that in the present climate many of us actually care what other people choose to wear, but this growing gap between the different communities in Britain particularly, is a worrying trend for the future.
Birdie - I am really fed up with your twisted translations of Quran and Hadith. And posting of half verse that suits you. I have given you examples before as well and here is another. See the difference between 33:59 that you posted and what it really says. Why don�t you give people the website www.prophet fdoom.net and let people read if they want to read about ISLAM from an anti Islamic website. In fact while doing that they may find truth about Islam. I always wonder myself that why at a time when Muslims are not at their best according to the teachings of Islam and when there is the most difficult time (propaganda) on all sorts of available media and Islam is still spreading. I know why, because after reading false propaganda people go in deep and find about real Islam.
Click this link and it will tell you what right women have in Islam.
http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?hl=en&ei =XYzYSYKjItGTjAe84uDEBg&resnum=0&q=woman+right s+in+Islam&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=YYzYSeGDJMjRjAf02P GVDQ&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=ti tle#
59. O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.
If you read properly then it gives reason why they should do that.
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Click this link and it will tell you what right women have in Islam.
http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?hl=en&ei =XYzYSYKjItGTjAe84uDEBg&resnum=0&q=woman+right s+in+Islam&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=YYzYSeGDJMjRjAf02P GVDQ&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=ti tle#
59. O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.
If you read properly then it gives reason why they should do that.
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I can answer and explain the back ground and reason behind all your posted verses and Hadiths but from my previous experience that will not do any good. But let's have a deal here in front of these all people and finish it once for ever.
Shall we meet up some where face to face with as many of your companions to support you there and at the end of the day (if convinced) either you convert to Islam or I will convert to whatever you say.
I can answer and explain the back ground and reason behind all your posted verses and Hadiths but from my previous experience that will not do any good. But let's have a deal here in front of these all people and finish it once for ever.
Shall we meet up some where face to face with as many of your companions to support you there and at the end of the day (if convinced) either you convert to Islam or I will convert to whatever you say.
Did forget one thing my little birdie. Before doing that you will have to disclose your real personality as no sensible person would waste time on face to face debate with a person called birdie.
And before you say so, I have already disclosed my 100 % true identity on this website with even a photo because I have no hidden agenda.
And before you say so, I have already disclosed my 100 % true identity on this website with even a photo because I have no hidden agenda.
Now a little bit to other people apart from my little birdie.
Covering your face completely is more to do with customs and traditions. Especially if it is to do with security then it is not proffered at all.
VHG - To your example of restaurants I know you are talking about waitresses. Perhaps any Muslims would say that they do not allow their daughter (apart from few) to work with other men in isolation and may be that is the reason that when it comes to us being a world�s record holders for teen age pregnancies without the knowledge of the father unless DNA is tested then their daughters are not among them.
Covering your face completely is more to do with customs and traditions. Especially if it is to do with security then it is not proffered at all.
VHG - To your example of restaurants I know you are talking about waitresses. Perhaps any Muslims would say that they do not allow their daughter (apart from few) to work with other men in isolation and may be that is the reason that when it comes to us being a world�s record holders for teen age pregnancies without the knowledge of the father unless DNA is tested then their daughters are not among them.
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