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Are The E U S S R Using The Crisis To Delay A The Brexit Deal?

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ToraToraTora | 09:46 Tue 31st Mar 2020 | News
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52101096
smacks of desperation to me, there is nothing stopping meetings and negotiations.
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The economy wonks are predicting that the enforced lockdowns and uncertainty will likely collapse the Euro and may well break up the EUSSR sooner than was likely anyway. The false, though much vaunted, solidarity has vanished into thin air already with every member state doing what they think is best for their own citizens. Italy has been abandoned by the German/French EUSSR masters and will most certainly leave when this is all over. Guess what the latest whizz ponzi idea is to save the bacon of the unelected schemers? A new and exciting coronabond. We may well have no one to negotiate with when the time comes.
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ZM: "I’d like to think that If the effects of CV are severe enough, nations will come together to cooperate for the greater good. " - we should do that anyway, but that does not mean we must surrender sovereignty.
I never said it did, Tora.
It's frustrating that gulliver is calling for rejoining the EU in the wake of Covid-19. Never mind that there's no political will for it right now, it's also a distraction from the more reasonable message: A huge rearrangement in our relationship with the EU can clearly wait a few months while the Government tackles Covid-19.

If anything, Covid-19 puts Brexit into perspective. This is what a real economic disaster looks like. I kind of miss the days when I was worried about disruption to trade because of extra paperwork.
but if I've read the Mail right, it was Barnier who gave Boris the virus. That would suggest we must immediately stop all meetings with the dying mandarins of the EU, right?
Indeed, Jim. People predicting the collapse of the Euro aren’t really thinking that thru in terms of the economic impact on us post CV (just like they weren’t when we were discussing Brexit).
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jno: "That would suggest we must immediately stop all meetings with the dying mandarins of the EU, right? " - wrong, stop meeting in person, yes but there are many conference call apps out there, we've been using zoom for work and private meetings.
//it was Barnier who gave Boris the virus.//

I saw it suggested that is the only thing Europe has given Number 10 in four years of negotiations.
10.49, Danny " it won't " It could happen, it might happen. Due to the present circumstances it has got every chance of it happening .
Definitely seems to be as excuse to me. Most countries already have decided their virus strategy and will keep an eye on developments. Seems little reason to call for a halt to trade negotiations, which aren't decided in an instant so any individual temporarily away for a week isn't significant as the rest of the teams plough on.

Besides trade negotiators aren't necessarily needed as virus controllers anyway; surely they've enough politicians for both tasks ? (And if they are short, maybe the EU politicians they do have, have problems walking and chewing gum at the same time.)
Trade negotiations on this scale, at this speed, require a large number of officials on both sides to be devoted to the task and in constant communication among themselves and with each side. It's simply unreasonable to expect that to happen when so many have switched either to working from home, or to self-isolating with illness, or to work directly related to Covid-19 over Brexit.

Wait a few extra months. People will understand. Everything else this year has got delayed; why not something for which the deadline was arbitrary anyway?
gulliver @11.13. Dream on.

Togo 10.55, "....the enforced lockdowns and uncertainty will likely collapse the Euro and may well break up the EUSSR sooner than was likely anyway....". As Naomi said, "Never mind, hope springs eternal".
Like TTT I find it strange they cannot continue. Two totally different set of people one would have thought. And as TTT points out there are many collaboration tools such as O365 Teams/Zoom etc I have had to use them for years, especially when running teams out of India. Works fine, done many interviews in India with them too.

On the EUR though, I dont think this will cause a collapse. I do agree some nations may rethink their position within the EU though and it does remain to be seen how the PIGS get funding after this with us gone. Maybe thats why they want the delay?
Individual nations are, quite correctly, concentrating on keeping their citizens from catching, spreading, and dying from Covid 19. Times have changed over the last few weeks, and what seemed important then is frivolous now. This won't last forever. Brexit can wait a few months, it'll still happen, despite Gulliver's straw clutching, but it sure isn't priority right now.
Meanwhile I find this in my email.
""The last few days have seen the biggest changes to everyday British life ever seen in peacetime. It is a week which has shown what a storm in a teacup the interminable debate about Brexit really was. The Remainer Twitterati have spent every year since 2016 declaring that the country was in crisis and that Brexit Britain was a scary new world. How parochial those complaints look now. This year, life really has changed unimaginably, and we do not know how long these new arrangements will last.

But despite both Michel Barnier and David Frost having contracted the virus, Brexit talks continue apace, with Michael Gove chairing discussions via videolink. Happily, both chief negotiators seem to be on the mend.

Draft legal texts were exchanged on March 18. The UK proposes a free trade agreement and a number of “mini-deals” in areas such as aviation safety and the nuclear power industry. These form the basis of the British negotiating position. Importantly, Britain appears to have sailed over the first hurdle erected by the EU. The UK government has refused to concede fishing rights as a precondition to further talks. The EU appear to have abandoned their insistence on this point.

Meanwhile, there has been handwringing about the UK government’s apparent refusal to participate in an EU scheme to procure extra ventilators for Corona-struck hospitals. The government has not helped itself by offering conflicting reasons for not joining the scheme initially (though it has now been clarified that the UK will take part in the EU’s future efforts). It makes sense, of course, to try and get ventilators where we can, and to participate in various schemes based on international cooperation. Some of these schemes will involve working with the EU and some will not. So far, the UK’s own drive to encourage companies to transfer from normal production to medical supplies seems to have been a notable success. Sir James Dyson has announced his intention to donate 5000 machines to international efforts to combat Covid-19, with 1000 pledged to the UK.

Brexit and Coronavirus are in truth very separate questions. Of course, a minority of hardcore ‘Rejoiners’ have latched on to Covid-19 as their latest excuse for trying to reverse Brexit. But for most of the population, these unsettled times are a reminder of the need to pull together and put the partisanship of the last few years behind us. Outdated anti-Brexit rhetoric helps no one. In the battle against our common viral foe, we must look forwards not back, seizing the benefits which Brexit has to offer.""

In my email the words "donate 5,000 machines" took me to this link.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/airbus-dyson-firms-waiting-uk-green-light-produce-ventilators-coronavirus?mc_cid=ca761e7f18&mc_eid=8b1ba6f9c7
.// what with lockdown most have a liot more time on their hands, get on to zoom and thrash the deal out.//

yeah foo ! gracking get on wiv it ! lazy buzzards - he's doing narfin xc lie in bed wivda bit on va side - who's it? - her ! - what's her face ?

her wivda dog - well he cant take THAT for a walk can he?

I mean what DO they do all day?

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