Is The Middle Way No Way?

[Khandro]

Isn't it time for some firm leadership?
https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-may-lose-lifeline-with-middle-way-brexit-11226406

[Old_Geezer]

Given that no deal is better than a bad deal, negotiations breaking down wouldn't be a tragedy. Naturally better for the EU to start being reasonable, but without someone able to convince them they should, it could well be a reasonable development.

[youngmafbog]

//there is a very real chance the negotiations would break down altogether.//

Quite possibly, but it might also send another signal to Barnier et al that the new leader in Town is not going to be mucked about. So either they too start negotiating properly and not trying to punish us for leaving (no they dont have to reward either) or we just go. Better short term pain than a long drawn out death of the UK , which is what Theresa the Appeaser seems to be negotiating for.

[mikey4444]

She is an embattled PM, of that there is no doubt. In many ways, she is in a worst position than Major was, in the last months of his chaotic rule.

She has enemies on every side. When I saw her recently on the TV, I thought that she had the look of someone that was starting to wonder why had she took on the job in the first place....she looked haunted.

It wouldn't surprise me one little bit if a Leadership fight will begin soon, not because she has been challenged, but because she will have resigned.

To use a much expression, she is a dead woman walking.

[ichkeria]

If she goes those enemies on either side could well tear each other apart. She is the thin string tying them together just now. She don’t go until a deal outline is struck. Even her enemies admit that.
I love the glib assumption that ‘a bad deal is better than no deal’ A statement that is essentially as meaningless as ‘Brexit means Brexit’.

[Old_Geezer]

And happens to be a statement of fact, that seems often forgotten.

[ichkeria]

It’s the same issue in each case: how do you define ‘Brexit’ ; how do you define ‘a bad deal’?
For some people on either side, whatever is finalised will be ‘a bad deal’ : so all it actually says is that if enough people on all sides of the negotiations are unhappy then no deal will be struck. But that is the case with any negotiations. Ever.

[ichkeria]

The subtext fur some is that they imagine that ‘no deal’ would be a shortcut to a ‘pure Brexit’ as if it was like an amputation. For them any ‘negotiation’ or ‘deal’ is just a threat. It that idea is dead in the water.

[EDDIE51]

I am on record on AB as saying many times, that I am convinced Mrs May was forced into the leadership simply to make a 'heroic failure' of leaving the EU. Every new development convinces me more and more that my theory is correct.

[ichkeria]

I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but the idea touted by some that the appointment of David Davis and Liam Fox to handle Brexit was done deliberately to shaft same, while funny at the time, is starting to look a little plausible :-)

[dave50]

We voted lo leave the EU, end of, simple as that so, just do it, walk away for goodness sake! All this messing about is ridiculous, if we just walked they would soon be sucking up to us, get a backbone!

[jourdain2]

I'm sorry for Mrs. May in many ways - she is conscientious, hard-working and doing her best............ but she is in no way whatsoever the right person for the job. (her initials are, coincidentally, the reverse of Mrs. M. Thatcher). I feel that the pressure is now such that we need a 'bust up' to rattle Barnier & co.. I would love Rees-Mogg to be in charge, but, realistically, he has no Cabinet experience. He should, however, be in some form of power. Possibly (I stress the 'possibly' bit) Boris, short-term i/c, but R-M needs to be up there in a pro-Brexit Cabinet. He's doing a terrific job from the sidelines, but we are running out of time.

The terms issued by the EU for our leaving are totally unacceptable. As R-M says, they are a starting position and if they want our £39 billion the terms will have to change drastically. I do not think May has the gumption to stand up to them. No deal is a much better option - and I've always felt that we will end up with no deal and so had better prepare for that. Mrs. M's sweetness and gullibility have empowered the beaurocrats. She is now a liability.

[Peter Pedant]

we dont need a change of leader whilst we are in the middle of whatever we are in the middle of