87 Die In Crane Accident At The Grand Mosque, Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

[Gromit]

What was Allah thinking to allow such an occurance?

[murraymints]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/sep/11/mecca-crane-crash-more-than-50-dead-at-grand-mosque-live


oh dear....

[Milvus]

Do you really think that is necessary Gromit. You're surely better than that

[Mamyalynne]

Terrible tragedy, so many lives lost and injuries too.

[murraymints]

87 souls have died..whatever their religion it is sad...

[Peter Pedant]

a/c to King Saud when 1 000 were crushed to death twenty or so years ago

'we know that the men would have died at that moment if they werent in Mecca '

strong predestination - but it rather excludes free will

[Jackdaw33]

True, but as ye sow, so shall ye reap.

[Mamyalynne]

What ?? So anyone who attends a Mosque to worship deserves rushing by a crane??


Thank goodness I don't think like some people.

[Mamyalynne]

^ Crushing

[Gromit]

Seems like a fair question.
How could any deity allow such suffering to their most devout of followers, in the most holy of holy places? Surely if a deity really did exist, these pilgrims would be exempt from any unpleasantness. Or perhaps it is a sign that Allah is not entirely happy with the atrocities done in his name, by the evil House of Saud?

[Samuraisan]

Well according to their religion, their destiny was to die anyway today.

[Old_Geezer]

It is not Allah's job to save folk from human failings. What sort of outcome would there be if folk knew they could do any daft thing without consequence ?

[douglas9401]

It'll be a test, just you wait and see.

[birdie1971]

Milvus - "Do you really think that is necessary Gromit. You're surely better than that"

Gromit - "Seems like a fair question [What was Allah thinking to allow such an occurance?]. How could any deity allow such suffering to their most devout of followers, in the most holy of holy places?..."


I'm at a loss to understand what it is you find so objectionable to Gromt's question? It seems entirely reasonable to question why any god would arbitrarily kill those who worship him.

[Canary42]

Although an atheist myself, I do find it distasteful that this tragedy is being used here to mock those who are misguided.

[Milvus]

Birdie do you really think scoring points on religious belief is valid when people have died in an awful accident. I don't remember any of you bringing up a similar question for things like the Malaysian airline crash

[birdie1971]

Canary42

Who's mocking? I've read this thread in its entirety and I see no mocking. Only compassion and the questioning of divine will.

[Milvus]

You'll be pointing out your compassion any moment I expect Birdie

[Gromit]

Just after an act of God (or Allah) has killed many people seems like the ideal time to question the belief in something that allows or even makes such tragedies happen.

[birdie1971]

Milvus

I don't think that Gromit is attempting to "score points" with his question. The fact that this tragedy happened in the Grand Mosque in Mecca must surly beg the question, "What was Allah thinking?". This structure is *the* most holy structure in the whole is Islam, situated in the *the* most holy city in the entire Islamic world - Mecca. If Allah is a literal god and has all the trappings of such a deity - omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence - how and why would he allow such a calamity to occur?

I'm sorry to say that your comparison to the Malaysia Airlines passenger jet [MH370] crash on 17th July 2014 (to which I assume you are referring) is not valid in this context. While undoubtedly a tragedy, it goes without saying that Malaysian Airlines is not mentioned in the Koran nor any other Islamic scripture. I'm not being facetious here, I'm deadly serious.

This kind of catastrophe goes to the very heart of the matter as to what a supreme deity is capable of and responsible for.