87 Die In Crane Accident At The Grand Mosque, Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

[Gromit]

What was Allah thinking to allow such an occurance?

[birdie1971]

Milvus - "You'll be pointing out your compassion any moment I expect Birdie"

I'll just stick to answering the questions if that's okay with you. Maybe you should too instead of trying to second guess people and attempting to imply unpleasantness where none exists.

[Milvus]

Not a justifiable reason from either of you. Death by accident is no more valid to a religion whether it is at the recent Mecca accident or Lincoln Cathedral 1000 years ago. Arguing about God/No God, Christianity, Islam Judaism is valid. But not now.

[Milvus]

Birdie I replied to Gromit's post some time ago. I am still waiting though for your rely on the compassion you mentioned at 00.27

[birdie1971]

Milvus

So if god, the creator of the entire universe and everything within it, exists and is defined as being omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, surely he is cable of preventing any tragedy? Am I missing something here? According to Islamic scripture, Allah can reanimate people from the dead, change reality on a whim, kill people left, right and centre, yet seems, in this case, to be incapable or unwilling to prevent these deaths.

Your, "death by accident", argument simply doesn't wash when we're dealing with an all powerful deity. It's a spurious argument put forth by theists that god has the power over all life and death of every living thing on this planet but when it comes to tragic accidents such as this, suddenly god is absent from the equation.

Ergo, Gromit's question is entirely valid in this context.

[birdie1971]

Milvus

"Birdie I replied to Gromit's post some time ago. I am still waiting though for your rely on the compassion you mentioned at 00.27"

I'm not sure what you're asking me do. Clarity please.

[birdie1971]

"... surely he is cable of..."

*capable*

[Milvus]

Birdie, more then a hundred people have died in a tragic accident. Is there a need to argue theology in this post. You ask for clarity, you said "Only compassion and the questioning of divine will" at 00:27. Where did you state compassion. It's the same response to your statement, how tough is that to understand.

[birdie1971]

Milvus - "Birdie, more then a hundred people have died in a tragic accident. Is there a need to argue theology in this post..."

Yes there is. Because of the reasons already given by myself and others. I'm not going to waste my time restating them now. Go back to he first post and read them again. You've obviously missed the point if you're asking this question now.


Milvus - "... You ask for clarity, you said "Only compassion and the questioning of divine will" at 00:27. Where did you state compassion. It's the same response to your statement, how tough is that to understand."

With all due respect, that doesn't make any sense. I think that you and I are done here tonight. Let's pick this up later. Have a nice night my friend.

[Milvus]

Still can't address the question Birdie. Where is your compassion you mentioned.

[trt]

More or less to the day of the Anniversary 9/11!

[birdie1971]

Milvus

Good grief.
Okay, I'll bite: examples of compassion shown on this thread for this tragedy -

Mamyalynne - "Terrible tragedy, so many lives lost and injuries too."
murraymints - "87 souls have died..whatever their religion it is sad... "
Me - "... how and why would he allow such a calamity to occur?..."

As for your question, "Still can't address the question Birdie.". To what question are you referring?

[Gromit]

Milvus,
Birdie said that there were no posts that were mocking and that he could only see compassionate posts or those questioning divine will. He did not claim to have posted a compassionate post himself, but pointed you to look at the posts of Murraymints and Mamyalynne who had done.

[Milvus]

So he and you have no stated compassion about the accident but would prefer to argue about the lack of intervention of a God.

[Gromit]

Yep. Just because I have shown no compassion for these unfortunate victims does not mean I don't have any. It was just a bigger question, and bigger answers I was hoping for.

[birdie1971]

Milvus - "... So he and you have no stated compassion about the accident.."

Oh dear.

[Milvus]

Still don't care then Birdie?

[wildwood]

I have come to hate the Islam religion in the last few years, but find this accident tragic. People are People and accidental deaths are always sad.

As this was posted in Religion & Spirituality, I can't see any reason why the occasion of Allah turning his back on his followers should not be questioned.

[DTCwordfan]

//As this was posted in Religion & Spirituality, I can't see any reason why the occasion of Allah turning his back on his followers should not be questioned.//

Yes, but gromit's timing perhaps sucked as compassion should be allowed to surface first, particularly when the count of the dead in this is still rising - now 107. Questions should be asked though in due course, be they of the cause or the 'spiritual.'

[naomi24]

I detest all this politically correct nonsense. Wringing hands and expressing the ‘right noises’ in a public display of compassion isn’t compulsory. This is a tragic accident but there’s no reason tragic accidents shouldn’t be discussed in this context. It’s a valid question.

[Old_Geezer]

It's a valid question, but IMO one would be naive not to conclude it was a dig at believers. Folk should ignore that sort of thing as it renders it powerless but it seems folk are reacting to the apparent lack of sympathy and making comment.

Anyway I gave a definitive answer earlier. It's because it makes no sense to intervene, as the consequences don't bear thinking about. Also death is less of a tragedy to a deity who would understand it is simply a transition to come to them, not a final end. It is human perception that it is an end and never meet again situation that gives us a different view.