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It should be amusing, but it is really very sad, that ABERS on here continue to mock the One True God, and substitute for Him, erroneous comfort blanket arguments that in the short term give a feeling of security by virtue that they are not alone in their views. Even a cursory examination of bible prophecies compared to world events would sway an unbeliever, and the arguments for Intelleigent design are overwhelming. How sad that the cockiness of the atheists is based no more than on the drivel sold by the likes of Richard Dawkins and Stephen Hawking.
Do yourselves a favour, and go for the simple solutions for example on YouTube and hear the TRUTH about the limits of science, and the impossibility of its claims.
In other words, SAVE YOURSELF before it is too late. Please?
Do yourselves a favour, and go for the simple solutions for example on YouTube and hear the TRUTH about the limits of science, and the impossibility of its claims.
In other words, SAVE YOURSELF before it is too late. Please?
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idiosyncrasy - "... If you [Naomi] think God is cruel and unloving, then obviously there must be something in your life that is or has made you afraid of him...I know I can go to God in prayer and be confident that my relationship with him is a good relationship. Whether I die today or in 10 years time, I have no fear of death.."
Please forgive me for butting in here but by suggesting that Naomi is "afraid" [of God] due to some unspecified "something" in her life is simplistic, presumptuous and insulting. It's also nonsensical and an abject demonstration of a non sequitur.
But please continue. The posts of non-thinking religious drones makes fascinating reading.
Please forgive me for butting in here but by suggesting that Naomi is "afraid" [of God] due to some unspecified "something" in her life is simplistic, presumptuous and insulting. It's also nonsensical and an abject demonstration of a non sequitur.
But please continue. The posts of non-thinking religious drones makes fascinating reading.
idiosyncrasy, There are two ways to look at this, but in both instances yours is a spurious and ill-conceived argument. Firstly, the history, right or not, of Alexander the Great, Henry VIII, et al, has no influence upon the way in which human beings conduct their daily lives, nor upon their perception of death, so it's entirely irrelevant to the discussion. Secondly, if you're saying that we should consider the bible as history just as we consider the rest as history, why don't you believe that Alexander the Great was a god, as claimed? Why believe one and not the other?
As for me being afraid of your god - that's not worthy of a considered response. Such is your dependency upon your religion that the notion of critical thinking appears to be entirely beyond your comprehension.
Thanks Birdie.
As for me being afraid of your god - that's not worthy of a considered response. Such is your dependency upon your religion that the notion of critical thinking appears to be entirely beyond your comprehension.
Thanks Birdie.
Naomi@//the history, right or not, of Alexander the Great, Henry VIII, et al, has no influence upon the way in which human beings conduct their daily lives, nor upon their perception of death, so it's entirely irrelevant to the discussion//
Of course it has. Every person of prominence has in some small way had an effect on the lives of people. For example, Henry VIII brought about a change in religious beliefs. His breaking away from the Roman Catholic Church made people have a different view of the church. The Greeks brought much to civilisation as did the Romans.
Think of all the inventions made by man which we use today and take for granted, some we have even improved on.
As to Alexander the Great being a God. He was to his people.
The Bible is a history book. It foretold the world powers. It can be proved by fact. You only have to go to the National Museum in London and there are many evidences that the Bible is history.
I do not think my comments are spurious or irrelevant. But then again I look at things from every angle and not just one, as you appear to do.
Fender//you wont go to hell because it does not exist//
But it does. You will go there, so will I. It has no respect for rank or file.
Of course it has. Every person of prominence has in some small way had an effect on the lives of people. For example, Henry VIII brought about a change in religious beliefs. His breaking away from the Roman Catholic Church made people have a different view of the church. The Greeks brought much to civilisation as did the Romans.
Think of all the inventions made by man which we use today and take for granted, some we have even improved on.
As to Alexander the Great being a God. He was to his people.
The Bible is a history book. It foretold the world powers. It can be proved by fact. You only have to go to the National Museum in London and there are many evidences that the Bible is history.
I do not think my comments are spurious or irrelevant. But then again I look at things from every angle and not just one, as you appear to do.
Fender//you wont go to hell because it does not exist//
But it does. You will go there, so will I. It has no respect for rank or file.
Birdie//Please forgive me for butting in here but by suggesting that Naomi is "afraid" [of God] due to some unspecified "something" in her life is simplistic, presumptuous and insulting. It's also nonsensical and an abject demonstration of a non sequitur.//
But don't you think you are being a little presumptious here. Or are you and Naomi one and the same.
Naomi may say one thing but could also mean another. I have found Naomi to be very contradictory.
But don't you think you are being a little presumptious here. Or are you and Naomi one and the same.
Naomi may say one thing but could also mean another. I have found Naomi to be very contradictory.
@Theland
I apologise for not addressing your OP. I have followed the thread and most of what I would have said has been said by others.
@idiosyncrasy
Are you suggesting that, merely because the historical elements in the bible can be shown to match solid archaeological discoveries (science!!!) that this "proves" that all the *other* elements of the bible, which lack that physical evidence, are also true?
A and B are both included in a book. A is true implies that B is true?
If JK Rowling's book mention a blue sky, or a particular street in London, does that prove Harry Potter is real?
If that sentence strikes you as a fatuous example then understand that is how using the correctness of bible history to prove the existence of god comes across to me. (I cannot speak for other atheists. I also don't know how long it will take for Harry Potter to be regarded as a real being, albeit not possible for muggles to comprehend).
I apologise for not addressing your OP. I have followed the thread and most of what I would have said has been said by others.
@idiosyncrasy
Are you suggesting that, merely because the historical elements in the bible can be shown to match solid archaeological discoveries (science!!!) that this "proves" that all the *other* elements of the bible, which lack that physical evidence, are also true?
A and B are both included in a book. A is true implies that B is true?
If JK Rowling's book mention a blue sky, or a particular street in London, does that prove Harry Potter is real?
If that sentence strikes you as a fatuous example then understand that is how using the correctness of bible history to prove the existence of god comes across to me. (I cannot speak for other atheists. I also don't know how long it will take for Harry Potter to be regarded as a real being, albeit not possible for muggles to comprehend).
idiosyncrasy, I don't know where you're going with this. Inventions? What do they have to do with religious influence on personal lives? I think you're allowing your imagination to run away with you and you've ended up grasping at straws. Henry VIII rebelled against the Church of Rome, but the ideology of the church remained, believers continued, and continue, to conduct their daily lives upon those principles, and still they cling to the notion of everlasting life in exchange for fearful obedience as they always have. Henry didn't influence their fundamental beliefs one iota.
"Alexander the Great was a God to his own people", you say, but you haven't answered my question so I'll ask it again. If you believe the authors of one book, why don't you believe the others too? Alexander was reputed to have been the son of a God and born of a virgin - just like Jesus (and several others) - and his biographers were rather big on history, so going by your reckoning, he must have been a God. The books about him say he was.
The bible contains history, but it also contains a multitude of contradictions, and little verifiable information about the players. Therefore it is not wise to claim the whole as fact. It isn't - and that is so easily demonstrated.
"Alexander the Great was a God to his own people", you say, but you haven't answered my question so I'll ask it again. If you believe the authors of one book, why don't you believe the others too? Alexander was reputed to have been the son of a God and born of a virgin - just like Jesus (and several others) - and his biographers were rather big on history, so going by your reckoning, he must have been a God. The books about him say he was.
The bible contains history, but it also contains a multitude of contradictions, and little verifiable information about the players. Therefore it is not wise to claim the whole as fact. It isn't - and that is so easily demonstrated.
idiosyncrasy - "...Or are you [Birdie] and Naomi one and the same..."
Nooooo! Quick, Naomi, run! Our cover's blown!
Hmm. Have you noticed that when people run out of logical arguments they often resort to illogical conspiracy theories? I've noticed it more and more recently. I find it extremely interesting.
For the record, I can categorically state that Naomi and I are not the same person (but of course I would say that wouldn't I?). You may not have been around here long enough to know but Naomi and I have not exactly seen eye to eye with one another on a couple of occasions. However, I think it's fair to say that on religion, our opinions do generally coincide leading some hard-of-thinking individuals to conclude that we may be in cahoots with one another in the real world. I can assure you, this is not the case. I could go on about the ludicrousness of this suggestion but I can't be bothered when there are far more juicy things to discuss.
Idiotsyncrasy - "... The Bible is a history book. It foretold the world powers. It can be proved by fact."
No it isn't, it didn't and it can't. It contains *some* history. It would be astonishing if it did not. However, it is categorically not a history book. It is a highly stylised fictional account of a person called Jesus who may or may not have existed. Why fictional? Well, unless you're an unquestioning credulous five year old, it is simply ludicrous to believe that Jesus literally raised Lazarus from the dead (John 11). It seems absurd to go any further into this moronic story as it is clearly a mendacious falsehood. If you believe it to be literally true then I'm afraid you have zero credibility when it comes to logic, reason or rationality.
Another biblical story tells of a great darkness enveloping the earth when Jesus was crucified. There were earthquakes - we're told - and hours of night during the daytime. Ooooh! Spooky! Except that none of this happened. How do we know that it didn't occur? Through actual historic documents. There are numerous contemporaneous accounts that were written in the region when Jesus was executed. Not one of them records a strange darkness nor earthquakes. This kind of utter nonsense always reminds me of the death of Kim Jong-il of North Korea: it was reported on state TV that his death was accompanied by, "... a mysterious glow [that] could be seen on top of the mountain [Baekdu]", and, "... ice cracked with a loud noise at Lake Cheongju, located in the crater of Baekdu mountain [which is sacred to North Koreans and from where it is believed that the 'leader' is born]".
Ring any bells Idiotsyncrasy?
Nooooo! Quick, Naomi, run! Our cover's blown!
Hmm. Have you noticed that when people run out of logical arguments they often resort to illogical conspiracy theories? I've noticed it more and more recently. I find it extremely interesting.
For the record, I can categorically state that Naomi and I are not the same person (but of course I would say that wouldn't I?). You may not have been around here long enough to know but Naomi and I have not exactly seen eye to eye with one another on a couple of occasions. However, I think it's fair to say that on religion, our opinions do generally coincide leading some hard-of-thinking individuals to conclude that we may be in cahoots with one another in the real world. I can assure you, this is not the case. I could go on about the ludicrousness of this suggestion but I can't be bothered when there are far more juicy things to discuss.
Idiotsyncrasy - "... The Bible is a history book. It foretold the world powers. It can be proved by fact."
No it isn't, it didn't and it can't. It contains *some* history. It would be astonishing if it did not. However, it is categorically not a history book. It is a highly stylised fictional account of a person called Jesus who may or may not have existed. Why fictional? Well, unless you're an unquestioning credulous five year old, it is simply ludicrous to believe that Jesus literally raised Lazarus from the dead (John 11). It seems absurd to go any further into this moronic story as it is clearly a mendacious falsehood. If you believe it to be literally true then I'm afraid you have zero credibility when it comes to logic, reason or rationality.
Another biblical story tells of a great darkness enveloping the earth when Jesus was crucified. There were earthquakes - we're told - and hours of night during the daytime. Ooooh! Spooky! Except that none of this happened. How do we know that it didn't occur? Through actual historic documents. There are numerous contemporaneous accounts that were written in the region when Jesus was executed. Not one of them records a strange darkness nor earthquakes. This kind of utter nonsense always reminds me of the death of Kim Jong-il of North Korea: it was reported on state TV that his death was accompanied by, "... a mysterious glow [that] could be seen on top of the mountain [Baekdu]", and, "... ice cracked with a loud noise at Lake Cheongju, located in the crater of Baekdu mountain [which is sacred to North Koreans and from where it is believed that the 'leader' is born]".
Ring any bells Idiotsyncrasy?
You know the inspired prophetic messages are understood only by those who humbly pray for understanding. (Da 10:14) Though the general time period of their fulfillment may be comprehended, full discernment of the prophecy’s application may have to await God’s due time for its being carried out. (Lu 24:44-48.)
So placing their confidence in men and disdaining God’s power and discounting his purpose as a factor worth considering cannot understand the prophecies, and they remain blind to their significance until the disastrous effects of their fulfillment begin to hit them.— Isa 46:10-12
So placing their confidence in men and disdaining God’s power and discounting his purpose as a factor worth considering cannot understand the prophecies, and they remain blind to their significance until the disastrous effects of their fulfillment begin to hit them.— Isa 46:10-12
Birdie//Not one of them records a strange darkness nor earthquakes.//
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