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U S Congress Discusses U F O Sightings By Military
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//Retired US Navy commander David Fravor …. recounted his encounter with a "tic-tac" shaped UAP in 2004 that moved in a way that baffled aviators, footage of which was released in 2017 and publicly verified by the US Navy two years later.
"The technology that we faced was far superior than anything that we had, have today, or are looking to develop in the next 10+ years," Mr Fravor said.
David Grusch, an ex-Air Force intelligence officer, hinted that government officials had suppressed information and punished whistleblowers, but claimed he could not elaborate further in public due to classification laws.
In one notable exchange, Nancy Mace, a South Carolina Republican, asked Mr Grusch elaborate on what he knew about non-terrestrial bodies.
She asked him if "biologics" were recovered from any crafts retrieved by the government.
Referencing his previous media interviews, Mr Grusch responded that "biologics came with some of these recoveries".
Were they human or non-human? Ms Mace asked.
"Non-human, and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the programme I talked to," Mr Grusch responded. During a different line of questioning, he confirmed he had never personally seen an alien body.//
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"The technology that we faced was far superior than anything that we had, have today, or are looking to develop in the next 10+ years," Mr Fravor said.
David Grusch, an ex-Air Force intelligence officer, hinted that government officials had suppressed information and punished whistleblowers, but claimed he could not elaborate further in public due to classification laws.
In one notable exchange, Nancy Mace, a South Carolina Republican, asked Mr Grusch elaborate on what he knew about non-terrestrial bodies.
She asked him if "biologics" were recovered from any crafts retrieved by the government.
Referencing his previous media interviews, Mr Grusch responded that "biologics came with some of these recoveries".
Were they human or non-human? Ms Mace asked.
"Non-human, and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the programme I talked to," Mr Grusch responded. During a different line of questioning, he confirmed he had never personally seen an alien body.//
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TTT, communication with our closest neighbour, Alpha Centauri, could be an eight year round trip so not impossible.
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Even if we enter the realm of star trek and achieve warp speed and then get it up to warp 100. Forget actual travel, just communication, even then we are nowhere near. Even at the closest stars. The Aliens are out there though CTG poo pooed the Drake equation it does show that arithmetically at least their are millions of potential civilisations in our galaxy alone all of which are out of reach. Sad that CTG chooses to insult me rather than offer any way that these factors might be overcome.
it is when you are having a conversation but the biggest problem will be obtaining the power and focus on such a beam. Even if we could do that the planets in that system are not able to support life and even if they were it's a 3 star system so our target planet would be getting blocked all the time.
// The Aliens are out there though CTG poo pooed the Drake equation it does show that arithmetically at least [there] are millions of potential civilisations in our galaxy alone... //
I want to clarify that I didn't "pooh-pooh" the Drake Equation, so much as your use of it. To be clear, the D.E doesn't really "show" anything. It can't. It's a list of numbers, none of which we have any idea of the value of, which are then multiplied together. As a result, the "answer" at the end of how many civilisations there are in the galaxy is little more than a rough order of magnitude estimate -- and barely even that, really, given that the many parameters can't be known even roughly.
I tend to believe that the two starting points are large numbers: the number of planets and moons in the galaxy is almost surely greater than the number of stars, and I equally think it's almost certain that the most basic life will always come into being whenever it's possible. But after that? We have only a sample size of one planet where complex life definitely evolved, which gives us no real basis for arguing how likely it is. It might be that the sheer size of the Universe was necessary, in a sense, to allow this trick to happen even once, let alone millions of times.
On the other hand, though, we've barely begun the search. Human history stretches back a few hundred thousand years, and for all but the last 100-odd of those we still thought there was only one galaxy; for all but the last thirty years or so, the number of known extrasolar planets was zero. The "end" of these searches is some way off yet. In that sense, I don't mean to imply from the above that I don't believe that alien life exists at all; and, even if I did, the search itself is the real point.
Now, when it comes to practical problems like communication, the challenge there is not so much "can it be overcome?", but rather "does it even *need* to be?" Suppose you send a signal to Vega -- 25 light years away. 50-odd years later, you get a signal back. Who cares that this is no way to have a conversation? The return signal in itself is the point. Perhaps in the future we won't so much talk *to* other aliens, and instead content ourselves with talking *at* them.
I suspect even this vision seems limited compared with what Naomi might be thinking about in her "far greater leaps". Perhaps that's true. Any such future leap has to be consistent with what we know already, though -- in particular, with causality and with Relativity, both of which appear extremely solid. Relativity has been tested to an insane precision lately, and is at least not *much* wrong. Since one implication is that the speed of light in a vacuum cannot be exceeded from below, then the fastest you can reach or communicate with any star 100 light years away is indeed 100 years, and there's no reason to suspect that there's a way around this.
I want to clarify that I didn't "pooh-pooh" the Drake Equation, so much as your use of it. To be clear, the D.E doesn't really "show" anything. It can't. It's a list of numbers, none of which we have any idea of the value of, which are then multiplied together. As a result, the "answer" at the end of how many civilisations there are in the galaxy is little more than a rough order of magnitude estimate -- and barely even that, really, given that the many parameters can't be known even roughly.
I tend to believe that the two starting points are large numbers: the number of planets and moons in the galaxy is almost surely greater than the number of stars, and I equally think it's almost certain that the most basic life will always come into being whenever it's possible. But after that? We have only a sample size of one planet where complex life definitely evolved, which gives us no real basis for arguing how likely it is. It might be that the sheer size of the Universe was necessary, in a sense, to allow this trick to happen even once, let alone millions of times.
On the other hand, though, we've barely begun the search. Human history stretches back a few hundred thousand years, and for all but the last 100-odd of those we still thought there was only one galaxy; for all but the last thirty years or so, the number of known extrasolar planets was zero. The "end" of these searches is some way off yet. In that sense, I don't mean to imply from the above that I don't believe that alien life exists at all; and, even if I did, the search itself is the real point.
Now, when it comes to practical problems like communication, the challenge there is not so much "can it be overcome?", but rather "does it even *need* to be?" Suppose you send a signal to Vega -- 25 light years away. 50-odd years later, you get a signal back. Who cares that this is no way to have a conversation? The return signal in itself is the point. Perhaps in the future we won't so much talk *to* other aliens, and instead content ourselves with talking *at* them.
I suspect even this vision seems limited compared with what Naomi might be thinking about in her "far greater leaps". Perhaps that's true. Any such future leap has to be consistent with what we know already, though -- in particular, with causality and with Relativity, both of which appear extremely solid. Relativity has been tested to an insane precision lately, and is at least not *much* wrong. Since one implication is that the speed of light in a vacuum cannot be exceeded from below, then the fastest you can reach or communicate with any star 100 light years away is indeed 100 years, and there's no reason to suspect that there's a way around this.
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