Pensioners Living On The Poverty Line - Is Law Breaking The Answer?

[dave50]

Does anyone think that it would be worthwhile for pensioners who are living on the breadline, struggling to eat and keep warm, to actually commit some non violent crimes in order to get themselves locked up in a nice warm cushy prison where they are fed and kept warm every day?

[ummmm]

Orderlimit - Most, unless they take jobs, but they can only take jobs if they can be trusted. But that doesn't include visits.

[Orderlimit]

Have you a link please ummm

[jake-the-peg]

Again it varies

There's a full report on this here it dates from 2007

http://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/publications/inspectorate-reports/hmipris/thematic-reports-and-research-publications/time-out-of-cell-rps.pdf

The lowest category was less than 2 hours 30% in local prisons were in this category down to 7% in womens prisons with an overall figure of 20%

[Orderlimit]

Thanks Jake, will have a read.

[Orderlimit]

I appreciate this report is dated 2007, so how do we conclude that 'most' inmates are locked up 23 hrs a day?

[society]

By the way, not only pensioners live on the 'poverty line'.

[MadMen]

Orderlimit, stop being so awkward.

Soc, I was going to mention that too. Many people live in the "breadline". I suspect NONE of those would rather go to prison. Well, other than the likes of the OP.

[Captin Kirk]

FAO Honeydip

"Sorry it was only a joke. Maybe a bit too far actually."

To re-address the balance a little I personnally do not think that joke was "too far". I have seen plenty worse on here go by without complaint and some seem to have a temporary humour bypass at times.

The thread whilst probably seeking to promote debate comes accross in a light hearted tone so jokes should be expected.

[magsmay]

@Captin kirk totally agree -don't know what all the fuss was about -very tame if you ask me -then again -on here its not so much what is said as who said it

[ummmm]

Isn't it just!

[magsmay]

I'm not convinced many pensioners live on the bread line . Many pensioners lived through the war and can exist on much less money than today's modern people can -they eat leftovers, wear a cardi instead of turning up the heating to tropical levels, and bake and sew clothes instead of throwing them out -this is not patronising but true. My mother is on a pension and wants for nothing and often I take her on shopping trips to M&S where she rightly treats herself to stuff she would not have bought when she was working.

[Orderlimit]

Madmen, asking for a link for facts about an issue raised on the thread is hardly being awkward. There are a lot of differing 'opinions' with regard to inmate lock-down times and it appears difficult (for me) to find current facts.

dave50, sorry to have taken your thread 'off the subject'

[ummmm]

It depends what category prison and what crime.

[starone]

I agree with barmaid. I live on my pension quite adequately, mainly because I do not now require the things I wanted when I was younger. Also, apart from replacing things now and then I have all the furniture etc. that I need. Some old people need different things such as cigarettes and alcoholic drinks, and I do not criticise them for this, you spend your money in your own way, but if you prefer that to paying for warmth and food then that also is your choice. Hope I do not annoy anyone by saying this, I do not mean to cause offence, but I think it really is a matter of choice.

[China Doll]

Oh great idea... especially if they have dementia like my grandad, I'm sure prison would really be able to cope with all his needs.

[Mick-Talbot]

dave50, sorry to have taken your thread 'off the subject'



dave is never around to care.

[bednobs]

i thought h'dips answer was funny (the soap answer)

[jake-the-peg]

I don't think I said that 'most' are locked up 23 hours a day but 20-30% are locked up 22 hours a day or more which is an appreciable figure.

I think you're being a bit picky

My point remains that Open prisons and some youth prisons my be relatively comfortable, a lot of our older prisons are not cushy by any stretch of the imagination.

We used to have an ABer who'd spent a bit of time in one Wandsworth I think it was - I think he got tired of putting right people who thought prison was a holiday camp

[Orderlimit]

Thank you Jake. There was a response that suggested 'most' inmates are locked up for 23hrs daily, which I happened to find hard to believe, however, the figures quoted are still rather concerning.