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fear for my grandchildren
I bet I'm not alone here, I was one of the "lucky" generation who haven't witnessed war but the way things are going in my countryy I fear for my grandchildren from the enemy within, What has happened in Luton is making people want to join BNP, but if they dare to voice their opinion.....what then, I wish this bloody Goverment would get some backbone....enough is enough!!!
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Okay...if that's the case, why then has Muslim fundamentalism exploded in the past decade?
How come in the 70s, 80s, and 90s - all those years when I was growing up with Muslim lads, the only thing they complained about was p*ki-bashing?
What has happened to radicalize a minority of young Muslim men?
Surely if their religion urges them to hate the west - why hasn't this been going on since the 70s which was when the UK saw the largest influx on Muslim immigrants???
Okay...if that's the case, why then has Muslim fundamentalism exploded in the past decade?
How come in the 70s, 80s, and 90s - all those years when I was growing up with Muslim lads, the only thing they complained about was p*ki-bashing?
What has happened to radicalize a minority of young Muslim men?
Surely if their religion urges them to hate the west - why hasn't this been going on since the 70s which was when the UK saw the largest influx on Muslim immigrants???
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Mani Hussein, why do Moslems always refer to the Crusades when discussing the west? I've rarely heard Christians complain about Moslem hordes streaming out of Arabia and invading the Christian kingdoms that had formerly been the Roman Empire and I've never heard a Christian demand the return of Constantinople/Istanbul (There's a song there somewhere!)
Mani, what would you have our soldiers do? it is the Goverment who ordered the troops into Iraq and Ahganistan, they didn't do it off their own back, don't you think all of the parents, brothers and sisters, wives and husbands, who have lost someone to the Taliban, wish they were not involved there? Would you really like to see a return of extremism in those places? where women are stoned publicy for being seen without their burkha or being with a male who is not a relative, where Sharia law is brutal? probably not as you live in tolerant society, that is what our soldiers are fighting for, to preserve the rights of the good people of these places
MOST Muslims can live alongside MOST Christians, who can live alongside MOST Jews who can live alongside MOST ...anybody.
The problem is that you will ALWAYS get fundamental nutcases in every religion. The trick is for the majority of right minded people of all religious persuasions not to allow the minority looney's to tar them with the same brush and for everyone to realise that it won't take a lot for peace to prevail in the BIG scheme of things (just not invading other people's countries would be a great start.)
Terribly sorry for the soldiers who diead, the people killed needlesssly in Iraq, the gay people persecuted etc etc etc. Life is not perfect, but reactionary self inflicted paranoia through reading the right wing press really won't help.
I don't fear fro my children's future I have actually ultimate faith in most people doing the right thing most of the time, regardless of race or religion.
The problem is that you will ALWAYS get fundamental nutcases in every religion. The trick is for the majority of right minded people of all religious persuasions not to allow the minority looney's to tar them with the same brush and for everyone to realise that it won't take a lot for peace to prevail in the BIG scheme of things (just not invading other people's countries would be a great start.)
Terribly sorry for the soldiers who diead, the people killed needlesssly in Iraq, the gay people persecuted etc etc etc. Life is not perfect, but reactionary self inflicted paranoia through reading the right wing press really won't help.
I don't fear fro my children's future I have actually ultimate faith in most people doing the right thing most of the time, regardless of race or religion.
Well said, Joy11: Mani Hussain is obviously living in a sanitised bubble and wearing rose-tinted spectacles where there needs to be a logical reason for any conflict which has ever taken place since time immemorial!
It's high time s/he woke up, smelled the coffee, and realised that our military are entitled to march ANYWHERE within the United Kingdom, no matter how many Muslims (or ANY other religious groups) are living there. Why should the parade be "highly inflammatory", Mani? It's not as if it was the BNP, no, it was men and women who have been to war zones defending everything we in Britain hold dear, in other words defending the rights of free speech, of freedom from injustice and terrorism.
It's called DEMOCRACY, something patently lacking in most if not all Muslim dominated societies. If Mani doubts that assertion, why not ask any female or homosexual living in such countries!!!!!!!!!!! Or, better still, why not go and experience life there? I'm sure that when you returned, IF you returned, your views would have radically changed.
It's high time s/he woke up, smelled the coffee, and realised that our military are entitled to march ANYWHERE within the United Kingdom, no matter how many Muslims (or ANY other religious groups) are living there. Why should the parade be "highly inflammatory", Mani? It's not as if it was the BNP, no, it was men and women who have been to war zones defending everything we in Britain hold dear, in other words defending the rights of free speech, of freedom from injustice and terrorism.
It's called DEMOCRACY, something patently lacking in most if not all Muslim dominated societies. If Mani doubts that assertion, why not ask any female or homosexual living in such countries!!!!!!!!!!! Or, better still, why not go and experience life there? I'm sure that when you returned, IF you returned, your views would have radically changed.
sp, my reaction to those glorious photos of two teenagers (I believe?) being hauled up by a crane in public in Teheran, slowly at the end of a halter, to dangle and strangle, was one of intense loathing for the bestial backwardness that is fundamental Islam. All the crowds chanting "Allah is merciful" or suchlike. A trace of fear as well. This culture is pure EVIL, the West needs to be very vigilant.
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Mani you have not addressed my Qs to you, Why are you laying the blame on our soldiers for doing a job instructed by the Goverment? and yes, it is attrocious that anyone is killed by bombs going into schools ect; nobody can justify this, but in war, attrocities happen, also, do you want the Taliban back in buisness? Did you think that Sept. 11 was a justifiable act? I don't believe any of us want our troops to be in these places and I can't see any selfish reason for them being in Afghanistan? other than to stop its people being persecuted by a brutal regime, can you tell me where you sit on these issues please?
The Sherman: Why don't you direct your comments to a bereaved family of a British serviceman blown to bits in Iraq or Afghanistan?
Mani H: You're very much in denial (Sorry, obNOXious, here come those exclamation marks again) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mani H: You're obviously unaware but it's politicians who SEND soldiers into war zones!!!!!!!!!! The squaddies don't sit around in the barracks before deciding: "Mmmmhhhh, which defenceless democracy shall we invade today and take out as many of the indigenous population until we're out of bullets? I know! Iraq and Afghanistan!!"
Doesn't quite work like that, guys!!!!!!
Mani H: You seem to be blaming those marching squaddies for having bombed a school a few weeks ago? Wow, and I thought that you required a teeny weeny thing called "evidence" to substantiate such serious allegations? Maybe Muslim countries don't require proof or evidence, but here in a true democracy, you do.
I take it you're still not tempted to go and live in Iraq or Afghanistan to test your theories of how the Brits are "violently" furthering their aims blah blah blah.
Face facts, could you FREELY express your views and sentiments, as you can here, in either Iraq or Afghanistan?
How many women or homosexuals can do so in those countries, let alone ANY men (if they want to keep their head on their shoulders, that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Mani H: You're very much in denial (Sorry, obNOXious, here come those exclamation marks again) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mani H: You're obviously unaware but it's politicians who SEND soldiers into war zones!!!!!!!!!! The squaddies don't sit around in the barracks before deciding: "Mmmmhhhh, which defenceless democracy shall we invade today and take out as many of the indigenous population until we're out of bullets? I know! Iraq and Afghanistan!!"
Doesn't quite work like that, guys!!!!!!
Mani H: You seem to be blaming those marching squaddies for having bombed a school a few weeks ago? Wow, and I thought that you required a teeny weeny thing called "evidence" to substantiate such serious allegations? Maybe Muslim countries don't require proof or evidence, but here in a true democracy, you do.
I take it you're still not tempted to go and live in Iraq or Afghanistan to test your theories of how the Brits are "violently" furthering their aims blah blah blah.
Face facts, could you FREELY express your views and sentiments, as you can here, in either Iraq or Afghanistan?
How many women or homosexuals can do so in those countries, let alone ANY men (if they want to keep their head on their shoulders, that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Part 2:
No, Mani H and The Sherman, while you're sunning yourselves in Iraq and Afghanistan, I'll be remaining in dreary old GB where I can express my views FREELY, where, be I male or female, I have access to religious worship or education etc etc, where I can choose to be heterosexual or homosexual, where I can have a fling with someone who may not be my spouse or partner etc etc. And you know what, I can do all these things without having my head (or anything else!) chopped off!!!!
Keep deluding yourselves, guys!! Say hello to that nice Mr Bin Laden for me?
M'Lud, the case for the Realm rests!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, Mani H and The Sherman, while you're sunning yourselves in Iraq and Afghanistan, I'll be remaining in dreary old GB where I can express my views FREELY, where, be I male or female, I have access to religious worship or education etc etc, where I can choose to be heterosexual or homosexual, where I can have a fling with someone who may not be my spouse or partner etc etc. And you know what, I can do all these things without having my head (or anything else!) chopped off!!!!
Keep deluding yourselves, guys!! Say hello to that nice Mr Bin Laden for me?
M'Lud, the case for the Realm rests!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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