Bye Bye Britain....

[flobbergob]

An absolute disgrace

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-113006 6/They-say-old-care-grandchildren-Social-worke rs-hand-brother-sister-gay-men-adoption.html

- and it's not just the Mail, it's being widely reported on BBC and LBC

[Ethel]

I agree - at first sight it is very wrong and tragic.

But we only have the grandparents' story - there could be much more to it that we are unaware of. The council concerned has not commented at all.
The grandparents may be unfit in more ways than their health problems, and it appears the children have been in foster care for two years.
It could be the natural mother will be a threat to the children if they remain within the family.

If the facts are as the grandparents claim then this is baffling, but I would like to hear the council's explanation, which we won't, of course.

[Quinlad]

Yeah, bye bye Britain.

We're in a broken handcart going down a slippery slope away from the good old dayzzzzzz...

[jake-the-peg]

It's not just their age - they have health issue too like his angina.

The Grandparents agreed to adoption

Now they've kicked up because it turns out its a gay couple.

So the "they say we're too old" is a bit disingenuous to say the least!

Love the quote

'There is an overwhelming body of evidence showing that same-sex relationships are inherently unstable and reduce the life expectancy of those involved.'

From a spokesman from the Roman Catholic church!

So that'd be an unbiased assessment then!

[R1Geezer]

Gay couples are not suitable parents. Huge unforseen problems arise. Wait till their school friends find out they have 2 dads, merciless bulliying. On the altar of being right on trendy we create 2 confused kids who are very likely to have mental problems themselves. Gay's and kids do not mix, end of!

[sp1814]

The story raises a couple of questions.

The final blow came when they were told the children were going to a gay household, even though several heterosexual couples wanted them.

Why would it be a blow? Were they not a loving couple? Were they Satanists?

The man said last night: 'It breaks my heart to think that our grandchildren are being forced to grow up in an environment without a mother figure.

There's nothing in the report which suggests that the couple involved were less qualified to adopt. Whilst it might break this chap's heart, to think of his grandkid missing out on a mother's love, he should be assured that of love for a

The problem with this story is that you have to be 100% against all gay adoption, or 100% for it.

You can't really say, "It's okay for gay men and lesbians to adopt, but only after all the straight couples have been assigned children".

If you're 100% against gay adoption, you can't really use the studies which say that a chiild is better served by a mother and father, because those studies compare mum & dad to single parent.

The Daily Mail is being a little naughty because there have so far been no studies into the affects of gay adoption because it's so very, very, very rare.

Hands up anyone who knows a gay couple who have adopted? I don't, and I know loads of poofs.

[Hotlardlife]

Too right R1. It is not natural - it can't be as physically gays cannot breed.

The kids will be bullied terribly - all the laws in the land wont stop that - but you try telling your right on lefty liberal social experimenter that.

I'm just about sick of this country bending over backwards to cater for goby minorities.

And Jake read the item, they gave the kids for adoption because they were threatened by the state to never see their kids again if they didnt.

As I have said before we are in a stalinist police state, the only difference being Stalin ran the trains on time.

This shower of sh*te in power can't run anything.

[sp1814]

R1Geezer

Of course, kids will be picked on. But you know what? Times will change.

In the 50s, if you came from a divorced background, you'd be picked on.

In the 60s, if you were Asian/black, you were picked on.

It would be a folly to put the brakes on progress to appease 'mouth-breathers'.

On the altar of being right on trendy we create 2 confused kids who are very likely to have mental problems themselves

Uh...huh...

[sp1814]

If one really wanted to be cruel, one could argue that after bringing up a heroin addict, perhaps the grandparents weren't the best people to be entrusted to another child, let alone give advice on who should raise them.

On a positive note, it's nice to see the Daily Hate turn it's attention away from Muslims for five minutes to have a go at the gays.

Hoorah for their even-handedness!

[The Sherman]

Sp that was a bit catty bout the grand parents!!!

I'd love to ask then since its inheritantly wrong for gay people to bring up children what if the alternative is that their heroin addict mother brings them up?

if that were the only choice gay or heroin addict?

[Ethel]

But those weren't the only choices. From the report the options were:

Adopted by grandparents
Adopted by any one of the heterosexual couples that wanted them
Adopted by the gay couple
Continue with the current fostering arrangements.

[LoftyLottie2]

I've nothing against gay parents adopting, but this does seem rather harsh on the grandparents. However, do we not know the facts - it's very easy to just believe what we read (we all do it). There may be very good reasons that these kids are going where they are going, and that Social Services felt they were the best choice.

I do feel that perhaps these children need their grandparents to be very much part of their life, regardless of who adopts them.

What the children need most of all is love and security.

I agree with SP is his post of 10.47.

[flobbergob]

Incidents like this make me ashamed to be British. I utterly disagree with gay adoption, the potential for creating screwed-up kids is enormous, but just as much, the treatment of the grandparents by the "social workers" is a disgrace. They should be sacked.

Sorry Stupid Decaying Britain.

[Ethel]

flobbergob - you can't make judgements like that without having the full facts from both sides.

The full story may be very different from the grandparents' version.

I thought it tragic that the grandparents were refused adoption, regardless of who the non-family adoptive parents are to be.

I didn't realise you ere were leading this report for a spot of gay-bashing.

Have you any idea how many children were raised in single sex households during and after the war, by mum and 'aunty'?

[LoftyLottie2]

I would move away from Britain if I felt that bad about it flobbergob! Where there's a will there's a way! ;o)

I agree that there is a long wrong, but quite honestly I can't really think where things might be much better - and yes I have seen lots of other countries from more than a holiday point of view!

[jake-the-peg]

Maybe you'd be better venting your bile at the druggie parents!

Obviously the Grandparents did such a fine job of bringing them up!

What is this? Give a failed parent the chance to screw up with their grandchildren too?

[LoftyLottie2]

So true Ethel! I remember it well.

[LoftyLottie2]

'A lot wrong'. My brain doesn't work until pm.

[flobbergob]

How is this gay-bashing? I merely mention that I strongly disagree with gay adoption - it is a pretty integral component of the story.

re: Mummy and "aunty" - did they sleep in the same bed and do things to each other?

How do you protect/conceal this from a young and vulnerable little girl?

[jake-the-peg]

What do you base that opinion on flob?

Because I'm suspicious that it's just prejudice

Got any evidence that might interest us?

(Other than research from the RC Church of course :c) )

[DaisyMae]

flobbergob, I suppose they would keep their sex lives private in much the same way as Mum and Dad keep theirs private.

There is more to a gay couple in a secure relationship than just sex. Sex may have been the reason they got together initially but I doubt it is the reason they are still together and looking to adopt children.

Viva progress !!!