Bye Bye Britain....

[flobbergob]

An absolute disgrace

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-113006 6/They-say-old-care-grandchildren-Social-worke rs-hand-brother-sister-gay-men-adoption.html

- and it's not just the Mail, it's being widely reported on BBC and LBC

[anotheoldgit]

The fact that one or two have expressed the point that we do not know enough of this case to pass judgement, and since the powers that be have stated,

The City of Edinburgh Council said last night that it could not comment on individual cases.

Then isn't it now time they were forced to comment, and then maybe there could be an inquiry into this case?

Regarding the matter of gays, why do some insist that we should all be acceptable and comfortable with them.

There are many present day life styles that I am not comfortable with, and I claim my civil right to be free to make my own decisions.I do not expect religious groups, politicians, persons with a vested interest or anyone else for that matter, to force me to alter my mind.

After all only a few years ago this country wasn't comfortable with homosexuality, that is why they made it unlawful.

Just because they change the law, it doesn't change people's minds. They would love to do this of course, but it is impossible at the moment, thank goodness.

[jno]

Hotlardlife, it was Mussolini who got the trains running on time, not Stalin.

You are admiring the wrong dictator.

[DaisyMae]

If the rectum is so 'outstandingly' incorrect why does it get used so much in the animal kingdom (horses, dogs, bonobo chimpanzees and others)? I think the problem is that you are hung up on the sexual aspect of this case rather than what is actually best for two very needy children.

[LoftyLottie2]

Just about to get myself a snack. Thanks flobbergob! But quite honestly I'm not the least bit interested in what others do in privacy. It might be distasteful to me, but as long as they are enjoying themselves and don't hurt anybody, it's up to them.

[flobbergob]

LL I have replied to OEV, rather facetiously and I admit I have been trumped, but now as a touche, I would like someone, anybody, to present a cogent argument in favour of rectal intercourse, bugs, tears, HIV, incontinence, and all.

[jno]

oldgit, why should councils comment on individual cases just because the Mail chooses to do so? They may feel families are entitled to some privacy in the raising of their children. How would have felt if the newspapers had decided to criticise the way you brought up your family? Would you have liked to see the council joining in? It's that sort f witch-hunting that seems far more reminiscent to me of 1930s' Germany.

[HatlessJack]

Apologies, Flobber.
I thought that this post was about chidren and adoption.......not your own prurient interest in sodomy.

[LoftyLottie2]

That's a whole new thread flobbergob!!

[DaisyMae]

Bravo! Hatless Jack. :)

[Gromit]

After all only a few years ago this country wasn't comfortable with homosexuality, that is why they made it unlawful.

Just because they change the law, it doesn't change people's minds.

42 years ago to be precise. It was decriminalised in 1967.

[flobbergob]

Three cheers for Old Git. What a wonderfully worded and sensible point of view.

I am not obsessed with sodomy, I find it utterly distasteful as may be already apparent.

It is the context of the case that makes me so furious. Britain may well legislate to "normalise" certain abnormal situations/cultures/sexualities, but it can fortunately never legislate to change an individual's opinion. These merely become internalised, and ironically, significantly reinforced.

[LoftyLottie2]

You have changed this thread to one about sodomy! Why!! It is not applicable to the thread. So why not start another thread, eh?

[HatlessJack]

Quite right, Flobber.
You stick to your outmoded and, thankfully, rather irrelevant opinions............you can keep a seat warm for AOG at the AGM of your own little bigots club.

For someone who finds the subject of sodomy so distasteful, you don't half go o about it...........

[DaisyMae]

You may not be able to legislate for a change in the minds of the people but you can but hope that bigotry will die the death when reality and humanity take over.

[flobbergob]

What is prurient about it HatlessJack? 99.99% of my life is spent not thinking about sodomy, but when I am forced to, as now, then I have strong views.

I would put it to you that rather than my views being outmoded or irrelevant (are you sure you meant irrelevant?), yours are unhealthy and a dangerously progressive threat to the fabric of normal society.

[LoftyLottie2]

One question flobbergob before I go.

What constitutes 'Normal'?

[jake-the-peg]

Remind me was the baby P case a hetrosexual or homosexual couple?

Sharron Mathews?

I could continue but you get the point.

Can you show me one single case where there's been child abuse at the hands of a gay adoption?

Prejudice is indeed about unreasoned arguments

[Quinlad]

AOG, flobber,

The legislation was never designed to change your opinions - it was designed to protect the rights of gay people. We live in a wonderful country where you're free to both hold and express your views.

Likewise, people are free to disagree with them - and sadly (routinely in your case, AOG), you get ruffled and confused by this and regard contrary opinions as some Orwellian conspiracy to make us to change our minds! It's because you're not really equipped to handle debate without resorting to paranoid ravings.

Have a sit down and a cup of tea. And they might go away.

[HatlessJack]

Yes I meant irrelevant.........
Are you really suggesting that 'progressive' thinking is a bad thing ?
Surely you can't be in favour of 'regressive' thinking................oh, hang on a mo......perhaps you can.

Perhaps you ought to start a new thread and then those as wants can continue the chidren/adoption topic that this started off as, and you can have a bigotted rant elsewhere.

[The Sherman]

Anotheoldegit of course you are entitled to your own opinion but when your opinion calls into question someone elses sexual activitiy that cause no harm to yourself or others then I'm afraid your opinion should not have a voice! Why should your views count? So YOU think its not right -big deal deal with it!

also to people who don't think gays should be near children- what about fathers that 'turn' gay after having children-should the children be taken away fromm there father then?