Muslims good for the UK?

[flipnflap]

Can anyone tell me what good / positive things Muslims have done or do for the UK?

[keyplus90]

Birdie � I am still waiting for your response to my question that when did Muslims attacked Indonesia to spread Islam there which is the largest Muslim country. Could you please give me any reference to prove why there were still more none muslims in Spain and India after Muslims empire fell apart there. Why were all of them not killed of forcefully converted to Islam. Please let me know. However if you can not (as I know) then at least ask historians to get rid of these facts.

[Trojanfarce]

Frightening, truly frightening.
Thank you Keystage1 for at least shedding more light (to me at least) on the fact that your faith has no more left the dark ages than "women want to be oppressed"
staggering, and your misrepresentation of (accepted)history is a good reflection of your ignorance.
You'll be telling us that the Holocaust never happened next...........

[keyplus90]

Raggy � It is a fact that Osama Bin Laden and Al qeda are the creations of America and are on American Payroll. But people who have considered them Hero they are not all in American control. Your facts, yes same things happened to Oklahoma bombing as well. Dust was not settled and few people had already seen suspects with middles eastern looks. Who did they catch later, Well American Christians.

Tell me one thing, Why Irish were bombing Britain and not Germany, why Algerians were bombing France and not Britain, why Tamils are carrying out suicide attacks in Sri Lanka and not in India? You know what I am talking about don�t you?

Trojan � your comment about Holocaust is very interesting, I always thought that we always talk about Free Speech. For example when people make cartoon of Profit Muhammad (pbuh) they call it a right to free speech and that is considered OK. But if a handful of people say that these cartoonists should be killed, they are branded as trouble makers. Although they haven�t killed anyone yet and they are only using their right to Free Speech. On the other hand for example if I use my right to same free speech and deny about Holocaust then again I could be prosecuted. Double standards, don�t you think so.

[keyplus90]

Trojan � Sorry I forgot about you this comment. I did not say these women like to be oppressed. In fact I don�t believe Islam oppresses women at all. I believe Islam librates the women from a culture, society and a life style where women have to take their clothes off to look beautiful, where women are afraid of getting old and do all those face lifting, this lifting, that lifting jobs and spend thousands of pounds because they are afraid of being out of date, out of contest. I just gave example of these women who reverted to Islam knowing that Islam oppresses women (according to few people). I wonder why still they are going ahead in accepting Islam. Have you got any views on this.

[Quinlad]

So do you deny the Holocaust? Just so I know where you're coming from....

Please do speak freely.

[keyplus90]

I always speak freely,
I never denied Holocaust. But few sources do say that it was exaggerated as well. So in other words, it did happen but not on the scale it is talked about.

Now you tell me one thing, I believe American Nukes killed more people in Japan than the Holocaust. Then why we talk more about Holocaust and you do not hear as much about the Japanese.

[Trojanfarce]

well keystage0, your inability to grasp basic tenets such as FACTS is, indeed, almost laudable. My views are quite clearly irrelevant as your indoctrination is clearly complete.
Just for the record The "Irish" bombed the ENGLISH, NOT the British, and they didn't bomb the Germans because they didn't have a problem with them. And to clarify a little further, it was a small minority of the Irish doing the bombing, not an entire populace (or for that matter, religion)
A simple Google search will show that approximately
120 000 japenese died immediately from the a bombs with further radiation/complication deaths in future years. It is widely acknowledged that approximately 6 million jews died in WW2.
Your ability to ignore/twist/pervert other's arguments coupled with your inability to fully grasp the english vernacular, makes it impossible to have any form of discussion.
So i'm not going to bother.

[keyplus90]

That is the right way to do, I m not going to bother, only because others do not agree with you. You do sound like another character here known as Naomi -

[keyplus90]

I am not saying it, there are other people as well.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread2859 40/pg1

http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/12/4/Lueftl 391-420.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/holocaust.ht ml

[keyplus90]

For the kind attention of Trojan who was looking for facts. I know now many more will turn against me. But they say you should always speak the truth.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID =2735

http://www.rense.com/general76/cadmp.htm

http://www.stormfront.org/truth_at_last/holoca ust.htm

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/130513

[Kromovaracun]

Now you tell me one thing, I believe American Nukes killed more people in Japan than the Holocaust. Then why we talk more about Holocaust and you do not hear as much about the Japanese.

Twaddle. Look, I agree with you on the original topic of the thread but this is simply nonsense. More people were actually directly killed in the firebombing of Tokyo (which was about 100,000) than were directly in Hiroshima (about 80,000)

Now, to be fair, more did die afterwards due to poisoning etc. which shored up the total to of about 150,000 tops.

If you include Nagasaki that takes us to about 223,000. Plus several hundred thousand diseased in both cases.

In the Nazi genocide, about 6 million jews were murdered. Plus 5 million other Untermenschen (Slavs, gypsies, political opponents,homosexuals etc. etc.). That takes us to 11 million without even considering those who died afterwards.

You can make as many unfounded claims as you like about 'exaggeration' but the figures above are what the evidence indicates. Even if you take the minimum estimates for the holocaust and compare them to the maximum for the atom bombngs, that's still more killed in the holocaust.

And for the record, Hiroshima (though not so much Nagasaki) probably saved lives in the long run. But that's a whole other debate.

[keyplus90]

Kromo � Hiroshima saved lives in the long run. Yes that is the excuse always given by the Americans to finish the war earlier.

Holocaust � It happened or did not happen. Or on what scale. I had to mention all this when people just talk about one side of the story and do not look at every one being effected. As I always say that many know here that I am Muslim. First question always, Do you condemn Muslim terrorists. I say yes I condemn every single innocent person killed any where in the world.

You know what, repeat is the same. �If I condemn Muslim terrorists�. Now tell me one thing when I say ALL does that not cover everyone.

Or perhaps people only want to condemn Muslims and not the others.
Then these things propel me to come up with these links which are the views of the people. Perhaps different than others but that�s all it is about. Any way according to the red cross records 271,304 people were killed.

[monkeyeyes]

Perhaps you ought to add another....oooo..............say 19, or so ABers who have died of boredom whilst reading your interminable propaganda, Skyplus.......

Wind your neck in for the love of God.

Naomi is not here to defend herself so knock it on the head, eh ?

[Kromovaracun]

Hiroshima saved lives in the long run. Yes that is the excuse always given by the Americans to finish the war earlier.

So wanting to finish the war early was a bad idea?

If the Americans had invaded the Japanese mainland (which they would have had to do since the Japanese had no intention of surrender), far, far more civilians would almost certainly have died. Every city would have been another Leningrad.

My evidence? Look at the resistance on the Pacific Islands taken by the Americans - the Japanese were never going to give in unless they could take a crapload of Americans down with them. And in that process tonns more civilians would have been killed. Hiroshima showed them that wasn't possible.

Look, as I say, I agree with you on the Islam stuff. But all this crap about the A-Bomb and holocaust that you're pulling is just nonsense.

cont.

[Kromovaracun]

Holocaust � It happened or did not happen. Or on what scale. I had to mention all this when people just talk about one side of the story and do not look at every one being effected.

Are you denying the holocaust happened?

The 'scale' of it isn't some exaggeration designed to downplay the Japanese. It's based on the evidence that we have and careful consideration thereof. Notice that the total figure estimated varies between about 9 and 11 million.

What on earth does this have to do with Islam?

[keyplus90]

It has nothing to do with Islam, but it has every thing to do with human beings. I will not agree with you about what the Americans did and why they did that. As far as I know the Americans have and still are killing innocent people and the history is over 200 years old.

Holocaust - Yes I do say that it did not happen at the level it is propagated about. However if someone take it as denial then I do not think I have murdered someone by doing that. As I personally believe that every single life is important, but 11 million just does not add up and it is practically impossible. You may find detail in the links I have given there. Thank you and good night.