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Muslims good for the UK?
Can anyone tell me what good / positive things Muslims have done or do for the UK?
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Birdie � You really sound like a little birdie to me. I will tell you why.
1 � You said Muslims killed innocent people in raids, on the command oh Muhammed (pbuh). Have you got any idea that what those handful Muslims had to go through over 10 years at the hands of those people only because they declared that �there is only one God�. As I said yesterday before looking at the results you should look at the reasons.
2 � You are saying that Islam permits killing a murderer and that is wrong, I will ask you when someone will kill your loved one and court will only send him in for 5 years and after that he would be wandering around in front of your eyes again. As long as you are trying to make that mischief makers only means who is not Muslims, then I have already said you really are a birdie. People who were killed in your given verse of quran were Muslims too, but they were still killed because they brought mischief in the land by killing someone who did good to them. Again I would say you got this dodgy translation of Verse from Quran but you did not know the background.
3 � About Bush and Blair � So it is ok to kill millions when religion is not involved and wrong to kill few hundred for religion. Although I am not glorifying INNOCENT of any kind. Although Somewhere along the line Bush and Blair did say that they invaded Iraq because God told them to do so. If you are not aware then look in the media somewhere. If not let me know and I would find that for you.
4 � This one is most horrendous as you mean that because Americans were the only nation with Atom bomb so it gave them the right to use it. Very well I appreciate your view point. Moreover you now have confirmed my belief that why Americans want few countries to sign CTBT and few countries they are helping to develop this weapon which one day will finish the human race.
1 � You said Muslims killed innocent people in raids, on the command oh Muhammed (pbuh). Have you got any idea that what those handful Muslims had to go through over 10 years at the hands of those people only because they declared that �there is only one God�. As I said yesterday before looking at the results you should look at the reasons.
2 � You are saying that Islam permits killing a murderer and that is wrong, I will ask you when someone will kill your loved one and court will only send him in for 5 years and after that he would be wandering around in front of your eyes again. As long as you are trying to make that mischief makers only means who is not Muslims, then I have already said you really are a birdie. People who were killed in your given verse of quran were Muslims too, but they were still killed because they brought mischief in the land by killing someone who did good to them. Again I would say you got this dodgy translation of Verse from Quran but you did not know the background.
3 � About Bush and Blair � So it is ok to kill millions when religion is not involved and wrong to kill few hundred for religion. Although I am not glorifying INNOCENT of any kind. Although Somewhere along the line Bush and Blair did say that they invaded Iraq because God told them to do so. If you are not aware then look in the media somewhere. If not let me know and I would find that for you.
4 � This one is most horrendous as you mean that because Americans were the only nation with Atom bomb so it gave them the right to use it. Very well I appreciate your view point. Moreover you now have confirmed my belief that why Americans want few countries to sign CTBT and few countries they are helping to develop this weapon which one day will finish the human race.
cont: They themselves do not want to sign it. To date I believe they are worried about, Pakistan, Iran and North Korea.
I would love to have your views on this. In the end I would say that I can give you a very long list of people with huge knowledge about all the religions of the world and who became Muslims at the end. Can you give me few names who went away from Islam because only they found something wrong in Islam. I am not talking about the lot I mentioned in my previous answer, who did so only because they wanted to do things which Islam does not allow.
I would love to have your views on this. In the end I would say that I can give you a very long list of people with huge knowledge about all the religions of the world and who became Muslims at the end. Can you give me few names who went away from Islam because only they found something wrong in Islam. I am not talking about the lot I mentioned in my previous answer, who did so only because they wanted to do things which Islam does not allow.
Birdie - Do you know that Muslims were first made to leave their home, families and everything when they migrated to Madina from Makkah.
But still when they occupied Makkah again not through sword but because majority of the people there became Muslims later so the enemy died their own death. Still when Muhammed (pbuh) entered into Makkah at that point he did not take any revenge fro any one.
I know you would not believe that any way and instead would come up with some sort of misconception.
But still when they occupied Makkah again not through sword but because majority of the people there became Muslims later so the enemy died their own death. Still when Muhammed (pbuh) entered into Makkah at that point he did not take any revenge fro any one.
I know you would not believe that any way and instead would come up with some sort of misconception.
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Trojanfarce � I can only give you few links about what you asked for. But I am sure if you google then you should be able to find so many.
http://www.narth.com/docs/risks.html
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID =48542
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homo sexuality/ho0075.html
http://www.mfc.org/contents/article.cfm?id=755
http://www.narth.com/docs/risks.html
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID =48542
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homo sexuality/ho0075.html
http://www.mfc.org/contents/article.cfm?id=755
Trojanfarce � An Islamic perspective about the same.
http://www.islamonline.net/english/Contemporar y/2003/02/article01-7.shtml
http://www.islamonline.net/english/Contemporar y/2003/07/article02.shtml
http://www.islamonline.net/english/Contemporar y/2003/02/article01-7.shtml
http://www.islamonline.net/english/Contemporar y/2003/07/article02.shtml
Hmm, confirmation then of the rigidity and intolerance of Islam. Funny that certain viewpoints on here label people who are against Islam as "rascist" or "ignorant" but those same people seem to have no problem with your own ignorance and intolerance.
Still waiting for your views of women adulterers.......
Still waiting for your views of women adulterers.......
Keyplus90 � You appear to be wilfully misunderstanding just about everything I write. Please tell me where I wrote that killing a murderer is wrong. Please tell me where I wrote that it�s okay to kill millions when religion is not involved. Please tell me where I wrote that the Americans had the right to use the atom bomb. I didn�t write any of those things. You have deliberately misquoted me. As for Bush saying that God told him to invade Iraq (you�re right, he did say that) then that just goes to prove that he is an utter moron. Anyone who kills in the name of religion is clearly insane.
To recap - the Americans used the atom bomb because they could do so without fear that someone would send one flying back at them. I�m not saying it was right � far from it � I�m merely stating WHY they did it. As for Mohammed and his followers being persecuted for saying there was only one God, then again that�s not right either. But that still did not give him the right to slaughter them when he had sufficient numbers of followers and forcibly convert them to Islam on pain of death.
I�m getting tired of these exchanges with you when you so clearly distort everything I write.
We�re obviously not going to agree on anything. That�s crystal clear. Finally let me just say that likening me to a �little bird� does you no favours at all. Let�s not get into Ad Hominem attacks eh?
To recap - the Americans used the atom bomb because they could do so without fear that someone would send one flying back at them. I�m not saying it was right � far from it � I�m merely stating WHY they did it. As for Mohammed and his followers being persecuted for saying there was only one God, then again that�s not right either. But that still did not give him the right to slaughter them when he had sufficient numbers of followers and forcibly convert them to Islam on pain of death.
I�m getting tired of these exchanges with you when you so clearly distort everything I write.
We�re obviously not going to agree on anything. That�s crystal clear. Finally let me just say that likening me to a �little bird� does you no favours at all. Let�s not get into Ad Hominem attacks eh?
Keyplus' telling comment "Even about 9/11 now many knows who really was behind that. " seemed to go unnoticed. I think a lot of Muslims like to fool themselves that they were 'set up' with regard to 9/11. I think this speaks volumes.
Birdie - Keyplus has a 'Mohammed Al Fayed' way of not quite listening and not quite understanding and slightly fudging the question and the answer.
Birdie - Keyplus has a 'Mohammed Al Fayed' way of not quite listening and not quite understanding and slightly fudging the question and the answer.
Persianlady � You�re absolutely correct. Islam is very anti-women, anti-homosexual, anti-everything that isn�t Islamic. There�s a sublime irony in Islamic thinking. The Infidels say, �Islam is intolerant of everything that questions their faith�. The Muslims respond by, �How dare you call us intolerant! You will burn in the fire of hell! I will send you there�. The really ironic thing is that the Muslims don�t see the irony of this. The classic example of this warped way of thinking is the Muslim protestors who were upset by the Danish newspaper that published cartoons of Mohammed. The response of some British Muslims was to hold a protest holding signs that said �Free Speech � Go To Hell�. The sheer idiocy and doublethink of this is quite mind-boggling.
Birdie � see where the difference is. Your words, Mohammed lead his followers in numerous raids where innocent people were routinely slaughtered</1>
My words You said Muslims killed innocent people in raids, on the command oh Muhammed (pbuh). Have you got any idea that what those handful Muslims had to go through over 10 years at the hands of those people only because they declared that �there is only one God�.. Still this was during the battles which war imposed on Muslims, or check Old map of Arab and you would know where these were fought. Most of them defensive.
Your words, Muhammad makes clear that those 'mischief makers', i.e. the Infidels (Jews, Chrisians, pagans, all non-Muslims) are to be killed.
My words, As long as you are trying to make that mischief makers only means who is not Muslims, then I have already said you really are a birdie. People who were killed in your given verse of quran were Muslims too, but they were still killed because they brought mischief in the land by killing someone
Le Chat � Your words, I think a lot of Muslims like to fool themselves that they were 'set up' with regard to 9/11
My humble effort, http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context =viewArticle&code=20060910&articleId=3198
http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/WAR.htm l
http://www.911sharethetruth.com/
My words You said Muslims killed innocent people in raids, on the command oh Muhammed (pbuh). Have you got any idea that what those handful Muslims had to go through over 10 years at the hands of those people only because they declared that �there is only one God�.. Still this was during the battles which war imposed on Muslims, or check Old map of Arab and you would know where these were fought. Most of them defensive.
Your words, Muhammad makes clear that those 'mischief makers', i.e. the Infidels (Jews, Chrisians, pagans, all non-Muslims) are to be killed.
My words, As long as you are trying to make that mischief makers only means who is not Muslims, then I have already said you really are a birdie. People who were killed in your given verse of quran were Muslims too, but they were still killed because they brought mischief in the land by killing someone
Le Chat � Your words, I think a lot of Muslims like to fool themselves that they were 'set up' with regard to 9/11
My humble effort, http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context =viewArticle&code=20060910&articleId=3198
http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/WAR.htm l
http://www.911sharethetruth.com/
Persian lady � our words, seems to me that Islam is very very unPC.........Opression of women, homosexuals
My humble effort,
http://www.themodernreligion.com/w_main.htm
http://www.islamawareness.net/Converts/
most of them are women and they are happy to be Oppressed
http://www.narth.com/docs/risks.html
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID =48542
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homo sexuality/ho0075.html
http://www.mfc.org/contents/article.cfm?id=755
http://www.islamonline.net/english/Contemporar y/2003/02/article01-7.shtml
http://www.islamonline.net/english/Contemporar y/2003/07/article02.shtml
My humble effort,
http://www.themodernreligion.com/w_main.htm
http://www.islamawareness.net/Converts/
most of them are women and they are happy to be Oppressed
http://www.narth.com/docs/risks.html
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID =48542
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homo sexuality/ho0075.html
http://www.mfc.org/contents/article.cfm?id=755
http://www.islamonline.net/english/Contemporar y/2003/02/article01-7.shtml
http://www.islamonline.net/english/Contemporar y/2003/07/article02.shtml
