Corporal Punishment In Schools

[tiggerblue10]

What are your thoughts on this and would you be happy to see it introduced in the UK?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/25/missouri-school-district-reinstates-spanking

[maggiebee]

NO. If teachers have to resort to corporal punishment they are in the wrong job. Abuse of power is never the answer.

[gness]

I can recall children wetting themselves as they were being caned by nuns, GG. A dreadful thing to do to a child.

[goodgoalie]

Exactly, gness. I can still see his face, remember his name.

[Sqad]

A-H

////There are more than two options available, and I believe that inflicting pain and humiliation as a method of stopping bad behaviour never worked in the past, and is never going to work in the future.////

You may well be correct...I just don't know, but you mention that there are more than two options to reverse this trend. What are they?

////Sqad. We see more violence today because there are more people in our societies and perhaps because we are able to read more about it./////

Maybe gness, maybe.........

[pastafreak]

For a young child in those circumstances the result must be a terrible sense of shame.

[Zacs-Master]

We had a teacher who's speciality was throwing a blackboard rubber (the wooden type) at he head of anyone not paying full attention. It never did me any harm and I'll fight anyone who says it did!!

[gness]

Not maybe, Sqad. For sure.
If we have more people and more people are taught by example that violence is the answer we'll have more violence.

[Sqad]

gness...but we have told more people that violence is not the answer but yet entered into an era of more violence.

I don't know the answer, but you seem happy with the status quo.......which is fair enough.

[tiggerblue10]

I witnessed a teacher in my primary school thow a blackboard rubber at a pupil. Luckily it missed his head.

[Peter Pedant]

// .but we have told more people that violence is not the answer but yet entered into an era of more violence.//

so beat the crap out of them

yeah OK I can see why you took up surgery ( knives)

[Peter Pedant]

I witnessed a teacher in my primary school thow a blackboard rubber at a pupil. Luckily it missed his head.

yeah commonplace - didnt seem to do much when it hit

[gness]

I'm far from happy, Sqad. I don't want to see it getting worse by using more violence to teach and rear children.

[andy-hughes]

Sqad - // You may well be correct...I just don't know, but you mention that there are more than two options to reverse this trend. What are they? //

If I knew what they were, I would in the government as Minister For Education, telling them.

I don't claim to have the answer, but it's simple for anyone to see what is not the answer, and that is violence towards children in a school, that in the street would be classed as criminal assault.

In your initial answer, you referred to the use of assault on children as acceptable, quote 'in a reasonable manner'.

Call me old fashioned, but I don't believe there is a 'reasonable manner' for an adult to assault a child.

If we are expecting teachers to cold-bloodedly and with full intention of harm, physical or psychological, to assault a child, then we should not be asking for teachers, we should be asking for sadists - they are the only people who can carry out such behaviour.

[davebro]

We musta been a bad lot (some of us were!). Teachers often threw thinks. The bio teacher hit a lad with a retort stand & the physics teacher dragged a lad out into front corner and laid into him with fists & knees.

Oddly it was the more mild mannered teachers who got the most stick. The most effective teachers (discipline-wise) used sarcasm as the ultimate weapon.

[ladybirder]

After seeing the recent behaviour of people at the Notting Hill Carnival and the Reading Festival I wonder how they were brought up to think that is an OK way to behave? I don't think the trouble at either of those occasions has ever been so bad.

[andy-hughes]

ladybirder - // After seeing the recent behaviour of people at the Notting Hill Carnival and the Reading Festival I wonder how they were brought up to think that is an OK way to behave? I don't think the trouble at either of those occasions has ever been so bad. //

Do you think corporal punishment in schools would stop it?

[pastafreak]

I'd say those at Reading and Notting Hill were controlled by whatever they were under the influence of.

[douglas9401]

"Do you think corporal punishment in schools would stop it?"

We won't know until you lot stand aside.

[Sqad]

A-H
/////Call me old fashioned, but I don't believe there is a 'reasonable manner' for an adult to assault a child.////

Andy you are old fashioned.
Violence and assault seem to mean different things to different people and in the context of this topic neither are applicable......in my opinion. I would prefer to call smacking a child as preferred, reasonable physical correction appropriate for the occasion.

I do understand why the words assault and violence are used

'/////If I knew what they were, I would in the government as Minister For Education, telling them.////

I understand that but as you have no ideas you are happy to go along with the system that isn't working rather than opt for an "old fashioned" system that was considered to be unsatisfactory............I understand that, but that was then and this is now, just a complete difference of solutions to a worsening problem.

Like you, I have no unanimously approved answer.

[ladybirder]

No idea Andy. Those doing the damage were likely from both groups so who knows?