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Why Do The Journos Keep Whining About The Saudis?
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Yes we know they are barbaric mad mullahs but hello, you sometimes have to deal with bad guys to help the cause against the worse guys. No one will be happier than me when we reduce our reliance on oil and gas but for now we have to hold our noses and get on with it.
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Here's a useful article that lists some of the main issues with Saudi Arabia in one place ...
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In no particular order ...
* Use of the death penalty
* Murder of a journalist by the state
* Treatment of women
* Treatment of intellectuals, clerics and reformists
* The devastating war in Yemen
* Treatment of same-sex relations
Given that lot, one might ask "If we're prepared to deal with Saudi Arabia, why won't we deal with Russia?"
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In no particular order ...
* Use of the death penalty
* Murder of a journalist by the state
* Treatment of women
* Treatment of intellectuals, clerics and reformists
* The devastating war in Yemen
* Treatment of same-sex relations
Given that lot, one might ask "If we're prepared to deal with Saudi Arabia, why won't we deal with Russia?"
* Use of the death penalty
And? Other countries do. At least they dont let them out to do it again like we do.
* Murder of a journalist by the state
Agreed on that one
* Treatment of women
It's their country and their culture. Who is to say we (The West) are right?
* Treatment of intellectuals, clerics and reformists
Not entirely sure what you mean by this. If people obey the laws of thg land they most likely wont have a problem. The problem with some of these sorts mis they think they are right all the time even when they are not.
* The devastating war in Yemen
Yes, not good.
* Treatment of same-sex relations
Again, their country, their culture, their religion. Who do you think you are to force YOUR beliefs on them?
And? Other countries do. At least they dont let them out to do it again like we do.
* Murder of a journalist by the state
Agreed on that one
* Treatment of women
It's their country and their culture. Who is to say we (The West) are right?
* Treatment of intellectuals, clerics and reformists
Not entirely sure what you mean by this. If people obey the laws of thg land they most likely wont have a problem. The problem with some of these sorts mis they think they are right all the time even when they are not.
* The devastating war in Yemen
Yes, not good.
* Treatment of same-sex relations
Again, their country, their culture, their religion. Who do you think you are to force YOUR beliefs on them?
"Given that lot, one might ask "If we're prepared to deal with Saudi Arabia, why won't we deal with Russia?" 2
And given that question I'd be tempted to ask: "Have you not seen the news recently?"
Meaning, the action against Russia is in response to a particular event, it's not us deciding we are going to get tough all nasty regimes and we've missed one out
And given that question I'd be tempted to ask: "Have you not seen the news recently?"
Meaning, the action against Russia is in response to a particular event, it's not us deciding we are going to get tough all nasty regimes and we've missed one out
> Not entirely sure what you mean by this.
From the article I linked to ...
Dozens of human rights defenders, intellectuals, academics, clerics and reformists have also been arrested since 2017, merely for exercising their right to freedom of expression, according to international human rights organisations.
Many have faced what Amnesty International has said were grossly unfair trials on vague terrorism and cybercrime charges, and received harsh sentences, including the death penalty.
Days before the Newcastle United takeover, a court upheld a 20-year prison sentence handed to Saudi-American aid worker Abdul Rahman al-Sadhan for writing satirical tweets criticising the authorities.
His sister, Areej, said he was "brutally tortured" before his conviction.
From the article I linked to ...
Dozens of human rights defenders, intellectuals, academics, clerics and reformists have also been arrested since 2017, merely for exercising their right to freedom of expression, according to international human rights organisations.
Many have faced what Amnesty International has said were grossly unfair trials on vague terrorism and cybercrime charges, and received harsh sentences, including the death penalty.
Days before the Newcastle United takeover, a court upheld a 20-year prison sentence handed to Saudi-American aid worker Abdul Rahman al-Sadhan for writing satirical tweets criticising the authorities.
His sister, Areej, said he was "brutally tortured" before his conviction.
Ellipsis; //... one might ask "If we're prepared to deal with Saudi Arabia, why won't we deal with Russia?"//
Because there is a marked difference between the two equally disagreeable administrations.
The human rights issues in Saudi Arabia can be likened to a neighbour who is violently abusing his (or indeed her) own family within his own house, - what the police would term as "a domestic".
With Russia/Putin, it is as if that neighbour had broken into another neighbour's house, & engaged in a violent assault against the resident family, who had not in any way provoked him.
With the latter, I think the surrounding neighbours would be justified in entering and restraining him. With the former all that can be done is attempting to influence through dialogue.
Because there is a marked difference between the two equally disagreeable administrations.
The human rights issues in Saudi Arabia can be likened to a neighbour who is violently abusing his (or indeed her) own family within his own house, - what the police would term as "a domestic".
With Russia/Putin, it is as if that neighbour had broken into another neighbour's house, & engaged in a violent assault against the resident family, who had not in any way provoked him.
With the latter, I think the surrounding neighbours would be justified in entering and restraining him. With the former all that can be done is attempting to influence through dialogue.
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