Border Control

[gulliver1]

We will take back Control of our Borders.... Said Boris ..when he was getting Brexit done.
....Migrant Crossings for 2021 marks a record year....with 28,300 entering the UK via English Channel
...........................As you were saying Boris....................

[gulliver1]

17.40 You fell for his lies ....enjoy your new neigbours.

[ToraToraTora]

redhelen: "
Gulliver has a point, I do not see any control of the borders being taken quite the opposite. " - what do you suggest?

[naomi24]

What’s the solution, teapots?

[Gromit]

Labour set up the UK Border Agency in 2008.
In 2013 Theresa May the then Home Secretary scrapped it saying ‘it wasn’t fit for purpose’ and replaced it with the UK border force. In 2013 there were less than a hundred illegal channel crossings.
The new Border Force didn’t exactly hit the ground running and by 2018 they had more than tripled to nearly 300.
Since then, Priti Patel took over running the show, and we now have the mega shambles of 28,400 crossing.
By any measure, that is an appalling record, and she should be sacked immediately.

[Gromit]

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2020/05/11/arrivals-via-deadly-and-illegal-channel-crossing-from-safe-countries

[ToraToraTora]

gromit: "Labour set up the UK Border Agency in 2008. " - ok I'm all ears what did they do that worked?

[McMouse]

Seems to me we have taken back control of our borders. The people crossing the channel in small boats are illegals. This was not stated in OP.

[naomi24]

McMouse, Gulliver doesn’t understand the difference between legal and illegal immigrants. It’s the reason he bangs on about Brexit.

[Atheist]

McMouse. Calling them illegals is like calling anyone accused of a crime of being guilty before they have been tried.

[naomi24]

Atheist. They are illegals.

[Atheist]

Naomi; and, yes, you are charming! :-)

[burlyshirley]

Of course they are illegals ! Or economic migrants is another name for them ...

[McMouse]

Has anyone suggested shipping them all to invisible border between NI and Republic of Ireland.

[gulliver1]

Big problem is ,those that are coming in through the back door , are hardly likely to be trained up to work in the over stretched NHS like the E/U migrants were . My god how the UK could use those E/U fully trained nurses that went back home because of Brexit.....right now..

[New Judge]

//By any measure, that is an appalling record, and she should be sacked immediately.//

And of course any new Home Secretary will immediately get to grips with the problem and the crossings will cease overnight.

We need to get real. No Home Secretary (of any political persuasion) will stop this unless the UK ditches the ridiculous "humanitarian" principles it is forced to abide by. That will mean physically preventing the boats from landing here and refusing to rescue the occupants when they end up in the briney. Any that do make it ashore would be interned and only released when they are removed from the country. Can you see any government doing this? Can you see any court allowing illegal immigrants to be interned? No, me neither. So to blame this or any other Home Secretary for this shambles is ridiculous. The country needs to radically alter its approach to the problem and treat it for what it is - an invasion of undesirable aliens who would not be allowed to settle here if they applied by the proper channels. But it won't do that because there are too many hand wringers here who believe these invaders are fleeing danger and persecution and require asylum.

Just to address the OP (not that it will make any difference): I voted to leave the EU but did not expect our leaving to make the slightest difference to the control of illegal immigration.

[naomi24]

Told you Gulliver doesn’t understand, McMouse. Seems atheist doesn’t either.

[ToraToraTora]

judge 18:05, bang on as usual. Do the anti British types just want us to force them back? Let them drown? They use this to criticise but offer no solutions as usual.

[Gromit]

TTT
// what did [Labour] do that worked? //

In 2009, they made 6,500 forced removals from the UK of failed asylum seekers.
By 2018 the Tories removed just 1,800 failed asylum seekers.

[gulliver1]

There are now 1,172000 job vacancies in the UK at the moment.
Does that number reflect on the number of E/U legal immigrant workers who fled the UK because of Brexit .

[New Judge]

//Calling them illegals is like calling anyone accused of a crime of being guilty before they have been tried.//

They have arrived without leave to do so, which is illegal (try arriving in Paris CDG having chucked your passport down the kharzi en route). They would be entitled to protection under the UN Convention on the treatment of refugees if they arrive directly from a country where they were in danger. But they don't. So they are illegal immigrants and describing them as such is perfectly appropriate. The problem is, instead of treating them as such, they are provided with accommodation, food, drink, healthcare, and pocket money.