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The Orwellian Absurdity Of Logging Rapists As Female

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naomi24 | 11:01 Fri 17th Dec 2021 | News
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//J. K. Rowling of Harry Potter fame has once again ridden valiantly into the gender wars — this time to object to Police Scotland’s policy of recording rapes as being committed by women, should the rapist identify as female. Detective Superintendent Fil Capaldi explained that “Police Scotland requires no evidence or certification as proof of biological sex or gender identity other than a person’s self-declaration.”//

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/j-k-rowling-on-the-absurdity-of-logging-rapists-as-female/

Following her accurate declaration that only women menstruate, Joanne is once again being tarred by the twittering twits of Twitter as transphobic. Well she would be wouldn’t she?
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jim: "....what then? Will you move the goalposts *again* in order to preserve a strictly biological definition of gender?" - that's why it's silly to use anatomy as a definition. My goal posts are immovable, if the person has a Y chromosome they are male otherwise they are female. Simples.
Oh dear, even SP, one of the most reasonable people here, is becoming a bit sassy when faced with the AB right-wing squad. Keep up your reasonableness, SP; don't be drawn into their aggressive game. (Easier said than done, I know from personal experience).
// My goal posts // [emphasis added]

The fact that they are *your* goal posts is also part of my point. This definition is a choice. Whether it gets accepted or not is the choice of others. As we've seen, other people, including those broadly sympathetic with you, define "man/woman" in terms of various anatomical features. Trans rights advocates, and indeed many cultures, understand "woman/man" to be gendered roles, that generally correlate with but are not strictly the same as biological sex.
I think he was more than "a bit sassy" Atheist. There was down right rudeness. He was met with the immovable object in Naomi's opinion of the Trans community and didn't know how to deal with that.
jim: //And, supposing that medical science advances enough to allow ovary/womb transplants, what then? //

In order to by-pass all of that surgery, I think what is really needed is a brain transplant
Anyone else you want to give that treatment to Khandro? Gays? Muslims? Non-believers maybe?
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How about the Scottish police?
Khandro

There was a time when homosexuality was considered a mental disorder. With time and education people understood that not to be true.
sp; Do you consider homosexuality to be normal then, in the sense that 'normal' means conforming to standard, regular, usual & typical behaviour?
Khandro

Absolutely.

Homosexuality is a naturally occurring state therefore it's normal.

But that's not the question. I said there was a time when homosexuality was considered a mental disorder.

Do you think it is or isn't?

Forget the idea of 'normal' - there are plenty of things that fall outside the sphere of 'normality' which aren't considered mental disorders - but the question is whether you consider homosexuality to be a mental disorder?

Like schizophrenia, bulimia or multiple personality disorder?
sp; //Homosexuality is a naturally occurring state therefore it's normal.//

Wrong! because something occurs naturally does not make it normal, far from it.

A survey in the USA put the percentage of homosexuals at around 5%
In the world of statistics, which I admit I'm not an expert, but I or you can look up like anybody else, it seems that what is considered to be the normal of anything - e.g. the height of 14 year old girls (1.5m.) is about 70%. so you would refer to a 14 year old girl at 1.5 metres as being at 'normal' height.

So the homosexual cohort of 5% is way out of the normal. This is in no way a criticism, it is simply a statement of fact & common usage of the language.



Khandro

Do you think that homosexuality is a mental condition?

It was YOU who brought in the idea of normality and I don't wish to argue semantics.

Do you think of homosexuality as a mental illness?
Sp, you are confusing me a little here. A mental condition/ illness/ disorder aren't all the same things.
Is sexuality (any) caused by physical or mental reasons? Or both? I genuinely don't know, I wasn't aware anyone did.
Don't tell Khandro I'm left handed for heaven's sake. He'll send me for conversion therapy.
Only if you equate not "normal" with "wrong".
pixie373

Khandro wrote:

//In order to by-pass all of that surgery, I think what is really needed is a brain transplant//

To which I replied:

//There was a time when homosexuality was considered a mental disorder. With time and education people understood that not to be true.//

Perhaps Khandro meant that transexuals would be better served by a theoretical brain transplant, or maybe he meant that trans people could be 'cured' with a brain transplant, which is why I referred to the idea that homosexuality as once considered a mental illness.
Sp, what all this boils down to is that some people consider homosexuality to be a normal thing whist others don't.
pixie373

You wrote:

//Is sexuality (any) caused by physical or mental reasons?//

I doubt that sexuality could be determined by physical differences as there are no inherent physical differences between straight people and LGBT people.

My point is that LGBT people don't have a mental disorder. Neither do straight people.

I was trying to get the point across that what was seen as a mental disorder in gay people in the past, isn't today.

The same may very well be true of trans people in the future.
I read it, sp, also his next post. I think, like most who say they don't want to argue with semantics, that's exactly what you're doing.
dannyk13

Yes - that answers the question of 'normality', but not whether it's a mental illness.

There are plenty of things I don't think of as 'normal' (tongue piercing, neck tattooes, extreme sports) but I wouldn't characterised those whom it applies to as being mentally ill.

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