The Orwellian Absurdity Of Logging Rapists As Female

[naomi24]

//J. K. Rowling of Harry Potter fame has once again ridden valiantly into the gender wars — this time to object to Police Scotland’s policy of recording rapes as being committed by women, should the rapist identify as female. Detective Superintendent Fil Capaldi explained that “Police Scotland requires no evidence or certification as proof of biological sex or gender identity other than a person’s self-declaration.”//

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/j-k-rowling-on-the-absurdity-of-logging-rapists-as-female/

Following her accurate declaration that only women menstruate, Joanne is once again being tarred by the twittering twits of Twitter as transphobic. Well she would be wouldn’t she?

[sp1814]

pixie373

I don't think it's semantics to ask someone whether they think homosexuality is a mental illness.

That's not an obscure linguistic detail.

[dannyk13]

sp //is it a mental illness//
In my opinion no.

[pixie374]

It is, when you are describing a mental condition as an illness. It's confusing. As one is fact and one is opinion.

[Roobaba]

Hmm where to begin..

Just because the world is complex or 'messy' (ie not black and white) does not mean we should simplify it because it suits our purposes and makes the everyday day lives of those who blindly follow 'the unseen forces to 'follow and comply' (capitalist society 'brainwashing'). We should be open minded and seek the 'ultimate truth' not a possibly biased or assumed version of truth.

(naomi24 I'd consider your use of Orwellian in the thread title as incorrect.. a common misconception. I also wasn't aware that 'Orwellian Absurdity' is a thing?

"Orwellian" is an adjective describing a situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society.)

I would say in reference to the sub-topic of millionaires (and I would add don't overlook billionaires they DO exist). If there are any here on AB (which I doubt, but will not explain why that is a fact statistically etc).. they will be the ones best qualified to discuss their fortuitous/lucky circumstances.. what I would say is..GOOD LUCK TO THEM! ;O)

And well done Richard Branson, you vastly exceeded your wildest childhood dreams.. you became a BILLIONAIRE!!!

Back on the topic of this fun and friendly AB discussion..

sp1814 'There was a time when homosexuality was considered a mental disorder.'

Apparently that has not changed, despite 'all the modern science'.

[pixie374]

It's quite disgusting he is even trying to compare it with homosexuality. They couldn't be more different of they tried. Neither did homosexuals have the main aim of removing women's rights, pretending and copying. They wanted to be themselves and live their own lives.

[sp1814]

pixie374

Half a century ago, homosexuality was considered a mental illness. There are many who consider transexuals to be mentally ill.

This is the point I was trying (and obviously failing) to put across.

You wrote:

//Neither did homosexuals have the main aim of removing women's rights, pretending and copying. They wanted to be themselves and live their own lives.//

Transexuals main aim is remove women's rights?

Not sure about that.

Do you think that it might be true that trans people also want to live their true lives?

Roobaba - love that post!

[sp1814]

pixie374

This is definitely something we both feel very strongly about. Appreciate the time and effort you've put into answering me.

I think we've reached the 'agree to disagree' part of the afternoon!

Cheers.

[pixie374]

If you aren't sure, then find out....
It's the only aim, that we no longer have sex, but gender instead. In spite of any harm, damage or offense to anyone else.
You have a bit of a nerve calling naomi "entitled", when you have quickly changed from being quite empathetic to women, to standing for a man's right to invade instead. Disappointing.

[pixie374]

Ok, bye.

[sp1814]

pixie374

Aww what a shame. I thought we could end this conversation on a polite note.

I too am disappointed.

[pixie374]

It was very polite, considering.

[Khandro]

There are in nature such a thing as white-coloured blackbirds, caused by a condition called partial albinism, it isn't the blackbird's fault, it is natural, but it isn't normal.

Earlier a list of some of the many things was given that would have to be transplanted or removed from a male body to attempt to change it into a female one, to which I fairly light-heartedly said it would be simpler have a brain-transplant, by which I implied yes, there is obviously a mental aspect to masculinity & femininity.

[sp1814]

pix374

I see you need the last word.

So consider this an early Christmas gift - whatever you post next, and I mean WHATEVER...I won't respond.

You can consider yourself the absolute winner of this argument.

You're the boss.

Fill yer boots and enjoy!

[mushroom25]

// Do you think that it might be true that trans people also want to live their true lives? //

very possibly in most cases. but you have to wonder about the motivations of the likes of Veronica Ivy (aka Rachel McKinnon), Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, etc. are they just living how they feel, or are they just using the identity politics card to make themselves good at sport?

[sp1814]

Khandro

Okay.

[pixie374]

Ah, cheers, sp :-) and I haven't even had you ignore my black-fishing question for the third time. Lightweight x

[pixie374]

Khandro
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10310305/Female-competitor-speaks-saying-IMPOSSIBLE-beat-UPenn-transgender-swimmer-Lia-Thomas.html

[naomi24]

Roobaba, you consider my use of the term Orwellian incorrect. I do not. Manufacturing lies at the expense of truth is Orwellian - and in this instance it is also absurd. Read the book.

[Mozz71]

//or are they just using the identity politics card to make themselves good at sport//

I can honestly say that no, I've never thought that, nor do I entertain it as a possibility. I do however think that trans athletes should have their own category of competition and should not be allowed to use their own naturally different physicality as an advantage.

[Khandro]

naomi: I always think the term 'Orwellian' to be a bit unfair in George to use his name for negative things, after all the man said such things as "The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history." not to mention, "All animals are equal, except some who are more equal than others", such an intelligent writer.

Suggest, 'nonsensical' or leave it out altogether? :0)