T R O P Men At It Again.........

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/calderdale-and-bradford-29-men-charged-over-alleged-child-sexual-exploitation-of-female-victim-12304695
why does it take so long to get these savages out of circulation?

[emmie]

too many people make excuses for these vile creatures, i know we don't have the death penalty, but i would happily bring it back for bstards like these - there have been too many cases like this in this country.

[emmie]

that also applies to any paedophile -

[ToraToraTora]

pixie:"Omg, you really are not helping yourself, ttt. I have been talking about patterns already. And the first, is men." - err no, the first is Muslim, a smaller set of the bigger set (men) remember the shark analogy? Did you do set theory at school?
"Honestly, why are you ignoring that and going straight onto Muslims?" - Muslims are a subset of men, I have drilled down.

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mozz: "Well make your mind up, either them being Muslim is relevant or it isn't. If you think it is, then you must believe there is some problem in the teachings of Islam that leads men to think this sort of behaviour is acceptable." - as I have explained above, now for the fifth time, these men all carry the same trait, that does not mean that the whole religion is culpable it means there is a common factor.

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JD: "In a proper, no-holds-barred Muslim country this poor girl would be seen, not as a victim, but an adulteress and would very likely end up being stoned to death." - yep that's pretty standard stuff.

[ToraToraTora]

I am amazed at the length and effort some have gone to on here to ignore the elephant in the room. It's obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense that this is the latest in the long list of Muslim grooming gangs and to try and merge that in with the general issues with male sexual offences in order to decry the bl33din obvious is frankly disgusting beyond belief.

[Spicerack]

I'd bet good money there are more Muslim '*groomers' in British jails than any other 'group'.
Bearing in mind they only represent about 4% of the population, (or 2% using Pixie's weird reality) only a fool would claim this has nothing to do with Islam/Islamic teachings.
* Child abuse in most communities is a hidden, sly, usually solo crime.
When Muslim grooming gangs are caught, they are family members and work colleagues. A British paedo wouldn't dare ring work-mates or family. It would be a race between the police and the vigilantes as to who reached him first.

[ToraToraTora]

good points spice, have you read the thread? We are still trying to get one of the "nasty men" brigade to explain why all the names are muslim and not a cross section.

[Spicerack]

If TROB don't start facing reality, they'll bring disaster down on all the decent Muslims.
Our military will never stand up to politicians a la France to end Islamisation. One day, I'm afraid, people will take matters into their own hands.

[Untitled]

I think it is disgusting to use terrible crimes like this as an excuse to demonize and dehumanize muslims.

[ToraToraTora]

untitled, you clearly have not read the whole thread.

[pixie374]

//Muslims are a subset of men, I have drilled down//
No they aren't. Many, if not most are female.

[Untitled]

I have read it... you are going out of your way to demonise muslims, and you are using this awful crime to do it.

Let's take your "obvious conclusion" from earlier a step further shall we?

If "Muslim men have a liking for grooming and abusing young women in a systematic organised process", why don't you spell out what you think should be done about this problem? You declined to say so earlier...

[ToraToraTora]

pixie, the bigger set is all men, within that there are muslim men! Did you do set theory at school? In a venn diagram the big circle would be "all men" and entirely with that there would be a smaller circle for "muslim men" - geddit?

[naomi24]

Mozz, //why bring up the fact that they are all Muslim? //

Because it’s the common factor in these cases. It’s staring us all in the face.

//They happen to be muslim but it's not islam that's doing it.//

They are not doing it because Islam commands it - they’re doing it because Islam allows it - a bit like Islam allows the faithful to lie or to eat pork in certain circumstances. They are not forced to do it - they choose to do it - which is why most Muslim men choose not to.

Pixie, //What I disagree with, is that religion causes normal people to be violent.
Every sane adult is responsible for their own actions…….. //

Your imagination is running away with you again. Islam doesn’t ‘cause’ anyone to be violent - it allows those who choose to be violent to be so - in the same way that it allows grown men to marry children. Neither are commanded but the choice is there - which again, is why most Muslim men don’t opt for those choices.
To deny that this on-going and widespread problem is anything other than cultural is tantamount to sticking your head in the ground - and does nothing to protect potential future victims. If anyone is excusing it it’s those who refuse to acknowledge the reality.

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untitled: //I have read it... you are going out of your way to demonise muslims, and you are using this awful crime to do it.// - I don't have to, they do that on their own.

//Let's take your "obvious conclusion" from earlier a step further shall we?

If "Muslim men have a liking for grooming and abusing young women in a systematic organised process", why don't you spell out what you think should be done about this problem? You declined to say so earlier...// - now you are talking, bang them up for life, that means life at the first sniff instead of spending years handwringing and agonising over whether we are going to be accused of Islamophobia whilst the systematic abuse continues.

[Untitled]

If you're talking about the perpetrators... then I agree completely.

Where I disagree is that I think this characterization of muslim men being 'innate' groomers or inherent rapists is dangerous. Demonizing and dehumanizing a whole group of people based on awful crimes committed by a minority of them is a path to evil things.

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untitled: "Where I disagree is that I think this characterization of muslim men being 'innate' groomers or inherent rapists is dangerous. " - all I'm saying is that in this case and countless others like this, the common factor is that they are muslim men, no one says they all do it but it is a trait and the religion allows it.

[Untitled]

If you say it's "a trait" then you are suggesting then that does rather suggest that all muslim men - or a majority of them - "have a liking for grooming and abusing young women". That is demonization of millions of people... not a tactic that has any benevolent uses in my opinion.

[naomi24]

untitled, //Where I disagree is that I think this characterization of muslim men being 'innate' groomers or inherent rapists is dangerous.//

Stop thinking it then because it's a product of your own imagination.
No one has suggested that.