What Killed George Floyd?

[Khandro]

After all that "Knee" business, it seems that may not be the cause of his demise:

https://www.takimag.com/article/who-and-what-killed-george-floyd/

[Sqad]

Spicerack... if you strangle someone that the layman "assumes" blockage of the windpipe and starvation of the brain of oxygen........that takes time.

In the act of strangulation if you know what you are doing, or it happens by accident, the Carotid Sinus can be compressed and by a nerve pathway (glossopharyngeal nerve) one can be dead in 30 secs and nothing to do with lack of oxygen.

[pixie374]

You can't really talk, there, khandro //After a respectable woman was raped in daylight//
Respectable?? How is that a valid adjective there?

And your claim that someone struggling to breathe, can't talk.

[Spicerack]

I took it to mean interference with blood flow.

[Spicerack]

I mean the medically trained coroner will use terms like asphyxiation and strangulation correctly, sqad.

[Peter Pedant]

in a drug related death - the Crown Pathologist ( christ when was this, 1980) commented that he had written a paper in 1952 showing how useless a post mortem exam was in drug deaths as it was physiological so all you got was a normal but dead human being

Dr Hunt I think, plymouth

[Spicerack]

An overdose of drugs is still an overdose of drugs, innit?

[Peter Pedant]

there are very few medically trained coroners
the guidance is now that they are legally trained

they get all the medical stuff from their advisers

and when I applied for coronial training ( er 1985) Gorodking said dont contact us we will contact you !
so all the coroners stuff when cheek by jowl and hows your father in Manchester? Yup
I am sure - I am certain it is all so very very different 35 y later.

just saying

oh lardee dah thank god no one reads this and those that do ( excuse me this is AB so logic is NOT given much attention) dont undersand

[pixie374]

What does that mean, spice? If someone took an overdose and you shot them... I think I'm missing your point.

[Peter Pedant]

// An overdose of drugs is still an overdose of drugs, innit?//

er overdose - well yeah
but in a man who was walking talking, an overdose seems to be er overegging the pud. - even for dear old AB !

[Peter Pedant]

hi pixo
we are ignoring the egg shell skull rule ( you take the victim as you find him)
and are pretending that any other cause of death is THE cause of death
( ie is the Novus actus interneviens - new intervening act as a cause of death which exonerates the stabber, shooter, kneeler)

ooer mrs - latin tag and I can see Naomi coming !

[pixie374]

Hi pp x that's kind of what I meant. If someone takes an overdose in front of you, and you shoot them before they die- what's the cause of death?

[woofgang]

the shot. you still murdered them because if you had not then they might have been treatable or they might have recovered....but if you shoot them dead there is no coming back.

[pixie374]

//The rule states that, in a tort case, the unexpected frailty of the injured person is not a valid defense to the seriousness of any injury caused to them.//

[pixie374]

My thoughts, too, woof.

[Barmaid]

Has there been a report stating a drugs overdose was the CoD? I had missed that. I understood that there were toxicology reports that stated a high level of fentanyl which was probably a contributory factor together with his underlying health issues but in someone such as GF who was a regular user that is not an overdose level because of his high tolerance, but I hadnt realised his cause of death has now been formally reported as an overdose. It was my understanding that whilst there were no physical signs of traumatic asphyxiation, neck compression does not always produce any such signs.

I fully expected Chauvin's defence team to argue that there were other causes of death. Of course they would! Any sensible lawyer is going to try and throw doubt enough to acquit their client - that is no reflection on Chauvin. The prosecution must prove it to the jury's satisfaction and if there is doubt, he will rightly be acquitted of some or all of the charges.

I think this will be an extremely difficult case for the jury.

[Spicerack]

Does anyone think he'll get a fair trial?

[Zacs-Master]

I was wondering that, too Spicey, and wondered if it would be influenced (not totally dependent) by how many black people were on the jury?

[Spicerack]

I was replying to PP, pixie.

[Zacs-Master]

Or indeed how many white people are / were on it.

[Spicerack]

Or rather, questioning the meaning of his post.